Awesome_Paul Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 If you have read the news or turned on the tv, you would know that the army finally caught/killed Osama Bin Laden. Good news this is and everything, but there a few things I think is stupid. The compound he was found in had 16ft tall walls, no telephones lines going in or out, and they were burning all their garbage. The army discovered this compound last august. Would you not think back then it was suspicious and should see who lives there :P Could have saved some time. This is what I heard briefly on the news this morning (so could have changed) Inside the house they found Osama, some other guys (they killed 3 other men) and some woman and children. Osama used the woman as a human shield, but surely the massive army could have gone into the house, killed the other men, and tried to escort Osama out alive to discover secrets etc. Not reun in there, discover he was using a human shield, shoot the woman and then killed him, understand it was a shock and everything but still. The third point is the final point, as soon as he was killed and it was all over the news, Americans decided to throw street parties and celebrating is far too much, sure it was a great victory on terrorism, but isn't that basically near the same level as them, celebrating the death of others, next thing will be they will want his head on a stick. Thought the human race evolved from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyn Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I have to pretty much agree with everything you just said. I'm glad that he's been caught because hopefully that means we can pull our troops out of the Middle East and be done with this war... but all the same, I'm sick of reading the celebratory comments/posts from my friends on Facebook. I don't support or celebrate the loss of any life, no matter how disgusting and evil they may have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erythraeus Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 If you have read the news or turned on the tv, you would know that the army finally caught/killed Osama Bin Laden. Good news this is and everything, but there a few things I think is stupid. The compound he was found in had 16ft tall walls, no telephones lines going in or out, and they were burning all their garbage. The army discovered this compound last august. Would you not think back then it was suspicious and should see who lives there :P Could have saved some time. Oh boy.*rolleyes* How longs has he been hiding? Bout ten years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wembly Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I haven't actually watched the in depth coverage of how they caught him and what not so I can't really refute what/how they caught him but I seriously doubt we will ever truly know what went down when he was actually caught. The third point is the final point, as soon as he was killed and it was all over the news, Americans decided to throw street parties and celebrating is far too much, sure it was a great victory on terrorism, but isn't that basically near the same level as them, celebrating the death of others, next thing will be they will want his head on a stick. Thought the human race evolved from that? But as far as this part of your comment goes, do you actually live in America? And where were these supposed street parties going on because that seems pretty ridiculous that there were street parties going on here because well quite frankly those kinds of things just don't happen. I honestly can't say that I'm sorry he's dead though <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome_Paul Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Yeah he has been hiding for 10 years. But if you were part of some army intelligence. You noticed a house bigger than others in a neighborhood, with massive walls around, burning all their rubbish and having no telephone lines. When noticing it would you either think: a) This is a nice house, away from any gun fire etc, wouldn't it be lovely to live here. b) This seems far too suspicious lets check it out more. Im not saying he has been there for all this time, but would have been a bit more common sense to check it out. Now to lighten the mood, who needs army intelligence when you have the Janitor!! But as far as this part of your comment goes, do you actually live in America? And where were these supposed street parties going on because that seems pretty ridiculous that there were street parties going on here because well quite frankly those kinds of things just don't happen. Don't happen, they were celebrating in times square and outside the white house, there are videos etc. Reports of some people lighting cigars and holding up signs of "Ding Dong Osama's Dead" and "America, [removed] yeah!" Links: http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/fcad0a7a3528235a/33503bfe0d9604cb?lnk=raot http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/not-sure-how-to.html http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/119733/ground_zero_celebrations_too_much This post has been edited by a member of staff (Spritzie) because of a violation of the forum rules. Please do not use curse words in your posts. Replacing letters with characters isn't allowed.These have been removed. Please check your user inbox to see if you have been contacted regarding this incident, then review our rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ryan Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 It's about freaking time. My history teacher even gave a speech about it. xD Btw I beleive a "YOU GO, GIRL!" is necessary for the Navy Seals. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wembly Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Don't happen, they were celebrating in times square and outside the white house, there are videos etc. Reports of some people lighting cigars and holding up signs of "Ding Dong Osama's Dead" and "America, [removed] yeah!" Links: http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/fcad0a7a3528235a/33503bfe0d9604cb?lnk=raot http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/not-sure-how-to.html http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/119733/ground_zero_celebrations_too_much Okay, I retract my statement that it doesn't happen but I read your comment as if the whole country is partying which is not true. <_< People go crazy and party outside the streets of the whitehouse practically all the time so I don't really think its that odd that there were people there. And also I really can't blame people celebrating in NY city because whether or not it is entirely true, Bin Laden has been attributed as the 'bad guy' behind 9-11 and New Yorkers are still really upset about that so I can see why they are celebrating what to them seems like justice finally served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrtbrk Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 The army discovered this compound last august. Would you not think back then it was suspicious and should see who lives there Could have saved some time. I hope you're being facetious here, but based off your other post that may not be the case. What were they supposed to do - ring the door bell and ask if he was home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somekaitlin Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Even though they discovered the compound in August, like hrtbrk said, they couldn't just rush straight in - they had to at least make a few plans. Here's a brief timeline I found; there were many others, all very similar: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid.timeline/ Everything had to be planned perfectly, because they didn't want him escaping a second time from the military. The attack yesterday wasn't just sudden either. The article above does not mention it, but I have read some articles saying that the seals who carried out the mission were practicing on a replica of the compound throughout April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcoolb Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Well I understand your point of the street parties. Though so many people have lost family members due to 9/11 and we lost two important buildings, I think that they are celebrating the fact that those innocent people's killer have been brought to justice. One thing I am worried about is that the group Osama was in has ranks. So he dies someone else rises. That is my main concern. Well I am not partying but I am happy to see the justice has been brought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSummer Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 just because we celebrate doesn't mean anything. we buried him by his religion and followed it right which shows we are 10x better than them. it's a victory for us because it's been ten years. I am not sure how old you are but i think for the older crowd, it's understandable. and the celebration is because a murderer was brought to justice. We are happy, but it doesn't bring our loved ones back, and we are celebrating for them, because they no longer have a voice. Just as if a normal murderer on the street was sentenced to life in jail, you are happy, and celebrate, but it doesn't take away the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrin of Neopia Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I have to pretty much agree with everything you just said. I'm glad that he's been caught because hopefully that means we can pull our troops out of the Middle East and be done with this war... but all the same, I'm sick of reading the celebratory comments/posts from my friends on Facebook. I don't support or celebrate the loss of any life, no matter how disgusting and evil they may have been. I agree with you. I'm quite tired of seeing my friends celebrate death. The news media is still playing up the danger, as they believe there will be retaliation from other terrorists, but still, I'm hoping this is the means to a very close end at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxi Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 It all seems a bit strange to me. They kill him, and then just put his body in the ocean so no one can find it again? He has been the most wanted man in America for 10 years! Also, forensic DNA testing was supposedly done within 24 hours of him being killed. I have never heard of it being done so quickly. They used DNA from his relatives, but did the army happen to be carrying those samples with them? Also, no pictures have been released of the body as of yet. President Obama is dodging many questions that I believe Americans have the right to know. Right now there are way too many unanswered questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrtbrk Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 It all seems a bit strange to me. They kill him, and then just put his body in the ocean so no one can find it again? He has been the most wanted man in America for 10 years! Also, forensic DNA testing was supposedly done within 24 hours of him being killed. I have never heard of it being done so quickly. They used DNA from his relatives, but did the army happen to be carrying those samples with them? Also, no pictures have been released of the body as of yet. President Obama is dodging many questions that I believe Americans have the right to know. Right now there are way too many unanswered questions. I read that his body was only thrown in the ocean due to Islamic tradition or law as they wouldn't release the body into US custody? Not sure how truthful that is though. Our news has been consumed with the Canadian election hehe Havent had an update in a while. Plus, I also read that several news stations have seen the images of him deceased (and they call claim that there's no doubt that it is him) but these images are extremely graphic (brain matter etc) so the Administration is hesitant to release them. :sick01: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxi Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I'm sure it'll all come out one way or another pretty soon. And honestly I'm not trying to be a downer, I hope it is him, but I'm also a bit fed up with government lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishLiz Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 It all seems a bit strange to me. They kill him, and then just put his body in the ocean so no one can find it again? He has been the most wanted man in America for 10 years! Also, forensic DNA testing was supposedly done within 24 hours of him being killed. I have never heard of it being done so quickly. They used DNA from his relatives, but did the army happen to be carrying those samples with them? Also, no pictures have been released of the body as of yet. President Obama is dodging many questions that I believe Americans have the right to know. Right now there are way too many unanswered questions. As far as DNA testing goes, 24 hours is not too short of a time frame. (I work with DNA). It really wouldn't take that much time to verify, and besides, there were multiple family members at the compound. I believe that one of his sons was another person that was killed. It would be fairly easy to obtain the DNA samples needed. They could even take a strand of hair from one of his live family members and get DNA fairly quickly. I'm not sure how old some of you other posters are, but as some others have said, for those of us who really remember the initial attacks, it really is quite significant. I also think it's totally reasonable for the US to be concerned with a counter-attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruto Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 The reason he was buried so quickly is related to his religion. I believe the Islamic people insist that your body needs to be buried within 24 hours of your death, and no other country would accept his remains. This is quoted from my government teacher, don't hold me to it if it turns out to be wrong. But all in all? I'm glad he's dead. I don't care how many people berate me for making that statement; that man is responsible for the lives of thousands of innocent people. I may not have been directly affected by the 9/11 events, but I've had to grow up in a country who was afraid of what he would do to us next. I never celebrate a death, and I am not throwing a party or anything extreme like that, but I'm not afraid to say that I was just a bit happy after hearing this news. (This topic might belong in the debate thread, I'm not sure.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane for Wax Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I have gone through many a lesson dealing with terrorism. And how sometimes it's best to follow the traditions of the religion they come from to lessen the retaliation. I just wish we would have been able to take him alive. Though I thank Navy SEAL team six for their job well done and I'm glad to see the boys on post smile and feel relieved that they might not have to go overseas again. I think my brother-in-law's killed lieutenant can finally rest in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkie Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I am in Australia and though we lost folk in the 9/11 it was many more from America. I am pleased that the mastermind of this terrible event has been caught and has paid the ultimate price for the crime. I do worry though that he has been isolated for so many years and yet acts of terrorism has still been carried out. Will the whole branch of this particular army or sect or whatever just collapse with the death of Osama or has the time been spent promoting and enlisting more of the same type of ....not sure what they should be called... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivies Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Personally, I feel exactly the same today as I did last week. And I am old enough to remember the attacks, and was affected. If other people derive closure/a sense of justice/whatever, great. For me, it really doesn't make a difference. I don't think the world is any safer. But I'd love to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ryan Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I heard an interesting joke about this earlier... 10 years, Trillions of dollars. Thousands dead. State of the art technology. They finally found him... At his house... I thought it was funny. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Girl Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 and we lost two important buildings You lost three buildings that day. Though Building 7 was not hit by a plane, and was not near enough to the towers to be affected by the crashes it still mysteriously managed to IMPLODE in on itself and fall down. Looking EXACTLY the same, as a controlled demolition - as did the World Trade Centers. Osama wasn't involved with 9/11, he was simply a scape goat. 9/11 was planned by the American Government who planted explosives in both World Trade Towers, In Building 7, and in The Pentagon, which wasn't even hit by a plane. They did this so the American People would support the Iraq invasion, and to instill fear and fierce patriotism. Obama is a good man, but he is a puppet. Before anyone starts having a go at me for this, get informed. Watch this movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrtbrk Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 While I think a lot of people have many unanswered questions, that film is a conspiracy theory. It may give some sort of explanation or reasoning to fill the holes but there's no proof that it's true. While that can be your opinion (as I'm sure it is of many others), stating stuff like what happened as a fact (based off of this guys theory) seems wrong. Unless you were Osama or are President Bush, we may never know if there is something more than what was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degenius Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 hmm, I think its really weird about the whole burial in 24 hours thing... An Islamic burial does require burial in 24 hours BUT burial in the earth is much much better then casting the body in the sea. Also, Islamic graves don't have tombstones so they could have buried him in a secret location and no one could have found the body. And to add a bit more...Islamic burials require cleaning of the body, a special type of prayer before they are buried AND a viewing of the body.(I highly doubt they did any of the other more important stuff pertaining to an Islamic burial). So in the end they 'respected' one aspect of Islamic burials.... I don't think the Islamic burial needed to be 'respected' anyways. It's not like he himself respected the religion at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcoolb Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Why they put the body into the water was not really for religious reasons. It was so none of his followers could visit him or know the exact location. I hope that clears some of it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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