Speaking of Obama...

[*Danielle*]

I personally am elated about our new president....He represents change * of course everyone knows that because of "Yes we can"* but more importantly unity....in some cases anyway. I am amazed by the amount of racism still currently happening. Im so ashamed to admit it but my mother's boyfriend is prejudice and he's so ignorant (btw im using the dictionary meaning). Just today he said something about Obama and he shouldnt have been elected because his father wasn't born here........and like i pointed out A: it doesn't matter about where the parents were born Barack was born in Hawaii and B: At one point in time every single person in the U.S. had a father, grandfather, great..,etc. that wasn't born here. I'm always getting into arguments with him about his onesided views. I'm really scared for Obama because where i live there are a bunch of racist people *and i can only imagine how many other people are* and i hear stories about the KKK and they dont want him running our country. Im so saddened that even in a new millenium after all the change we have made there are still so many people who can't look past the color of someone's skin...anyway lol....i started to really rant there i think my keyboard is damaged form typing to hard lol....but yea anyway i wanted everyone's opinions....

[M!!]

You know, despite how we as independent thinkers feel, there will always be a group with opposing opinions. And that's how you have to see it, it's rather unfortunate, but what can you do? I am also happy that Obama is president. Not simply because of his race, but if you haven't noticed, the world is about to go through a hard recession/depression, and someone needs to run America and keep morale up. I, however, do not believe he will be the second Christ and just make everything better. Everyone wants change, but will he be able to provide it? He has quite a lot of weight on his shoulders.

 

Most importantly, I'm just glad that we have someone optimistic. I do feel that Bush was so engaged in his war and 'the country' that he forgot how to rally the spirits of his people.

 

But these are my opinions and I don't want to argue :P

[dazara]

I do not think people should be judged on their appearance.

 

It should be on their personality and what they stand for, not their origins or religion.

[ΩCCΩ]

I totally stand dazara about the appericane thingi. I think it is going to far, but I still dont think that Obama can just clean all the world with one sweep, After all the world is not just a rug or something but I do think that he can START the change and then the world has to contiue on completing the job...

[̊ ˉˉ ̊]

I personally am elated about our new president....He represents change * of course everyone knows that because of "Yes we can"* but more importantly unity....in some cases anyway. I am amazed by the amount of racism still currently happening. Im so ashamed to admit it but my mother's boyfriend is prejudice and he's so ignorant (btw im using the dictionary meaning). Just today he said something about Obama and he shouldnt have been elected because his father wasn't born here........and like i pointed out A: it doesn't matter about where the parents were born Barack was born in Hawaii and B: At one point in time every single person in the U.S. had a father, grandfather, great..,etc. that wasn't born here. I'm always getting into arguments with him about his onesided views. I'm really scared for Obama because where i live there are a bunch of racist people *and i can only imagine how many other people are* and i hear stories about the KKK and they dont want him running our country. Im so saddened that even in a new millenium after all the change we have made there are still so many people who can't look past the color of someone's skin...anyway lol....i started to really rant there i think my keyboard is damaged form typing to hard lol....but yea anyway i wanted everyone's opinions....

If your worried about him & the KKK, then he should take extra precautions when he's in indiana, that's the state with the largest concentration of KKK members.

I personally don't like many of his Ideas (like making the CIA use the army feild manual, that makes it excessively hard to get information).

 

But I do hope he does good as a president for the sake of our country.

 

 

(I personally preferred Ron Paul, But I knew he wouldn't win)

[M!!]

If your worried about him & the KKK, then he should take extra precautions when he's in indiana, that's the state with the largest concentration of KKK members.

I personally don't like many of his Ideas (like making the CIA use the army feild manual, that makes it excessively hard to get information).

 

But I do hope he does good as a president for the sake of our country.

 

 

(I personally preferred Ron Paul, But I knew he wouldn't win)

Hmm, but you know his ideologies are very humanitarian. He doing all these things - the closing of Guantanamo Bay included - just to do them, how things in America now are very, very disgusting and destructive. GB, for example, was just a plethora of innocent people, or people with different opinions than Americans, being tortured for years on end. The CIA using some sort of manual, which I haven't heard of but I take your word on it, represents putting an organization in check. For years the CIA has blatantly violated American rights. And while many argue it's for 'our safety', it's done in a very sneaky and dark manner.

 

I voted for Bill Clinton, btw :P I didn't like either candidate.

[Shane for Wax]

He doesn't have to worry about the KKK. He has to worry about going to South Carolina where the headquarters of the Aryan Nations is. Simply because the people who tried and failed to even set off their assassination attempt were skinheads.

 

I am not a fan of him, simply because of his foreign policy (mainly). Also, the President is not directly responsible for the economy, so I don't see why people are bowing to him and saying he is going to help the economy.

 

I will laugh when he decides to outlaw guns, thereby violating the Constitution. At this point it looks like he will try that. And with Hillary where she is, I fear for my gaming hobby. She's insane.

 

This will be my only post here, because I can already see you all like Obama. If you have problems with what I said, feel free to PM me.

 

I voted for McCain. :)

 

Just as a side note, I'm going to get taxed to death cause of Obama. WHOO HOO TAXES. Gotta love 'em *not*.

 

Also, Obama voted NO on the partial-birth ban and born-alive treatment. McCain wanted to expand embryonic stem cell research. Did Obama? FactCheck: Obama’s new programs cost $286B; McCain’s $211B. Also, McCain has been quoted as saying he's okay with gay people, he wouldn't even mind a gay president. Also: Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. He said leave it up to the states.

 

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[*Danielle*]

i know that he won't be able to change alot within only 4 short years as president *maybe 8 depending on the next election* but he can start a change. and like M!! said he does boost morale which is good....better then what Bush did.....

 

I honestly dont think he'll be able to outlaw guns completely, maybe just make it hard to get one with alot more forms to fill out so in case its used in a crime they could trace it..im not to sure on the gun laws now...

 

rotcchick your entitled to your opinion, i dont think anyone on here will PM you with a problem.....

 

 

 

I really wasn't crazy about either candidate either but i thought Obama was more of a leader then McCain.

 

**edit** i should have said i wasn't crazy with either only because I liked Hilary.......But now im ok ^_^

 

 

If he passes certain bills he could start a change in the economy....but if it turns out that he can't do what he says and makes the economy worse and we get screwed in the process then thats a mistake we have to learn from.....Lord knows we didnt learn anything when we elected Bush for the second time *just my opinion*

[FutureTXTurkey]

Oh my gosh I could talk for forever about how much I love Obama! I mean seriously if there even is a character limit on here I am sure I could more than go over it, because my adoration for Obama just has no limits. Basically to spare everyone hearing my babbling about how incredible I think he is I will just say, look at his first economic bale out plan, and how it differers from Bush's and how it is SO like FDR's, who is in my opinion the greatest president prior to Obama.

 

As far as the race issue is concerned and his safety. I'm not going to pretend like I don't worry about it because I do, but I just try not to think about it, and I try to have more faith in humanity then that. I mean if we saw anything in the Bush administration it is that many in this country wants to be a committed Christians, and there would be nothing Christian about assassinating an innocent man.

 

ASIDE FROM ALL OF THAT OBAMA JUST ROCKS! GO OBAMA GO! I AM BEHIND YOU ALL THE WAY!

 

I voted for Bill Clinton....

 

Really, you really voted for Bill Clinton, aside from his politics which I won't argue with you about, you know he already served two terms and cannot be elected again right?

I mean I hope you were kidding, but if you weren't then please let's not disrespect the democracy with votes that are by all means either a joke and/or a waste.

[Liz//Miomi]

Ok I am extremely happy that Obama is now in office. He is such an amazing person, and has lifted America's spirit beyond which we have had in the past 8 years. *cough*bush*cough*

 

I don't hate bush, but I really dislike what he did in office. And then he goes and says that he did a good thing for our country! BS! >< (Ugh, I hope this is allowed in forums, don't want trouble)

 

BUT I agree with the worry about Obama's safety. The world is really becoming a violent one and with the racism I see these days I just can't imagine another JFK situation on our hands. It's nuts! I wish him the best, he is very very amazing. He has alot of weight to carry but I think he will at least lead us in the right direction, if not take us there.

[*Danielle*]

I was watching when Obama and Michelle got out of the presidental limo in the inaugaration day motorcade and all i kept seeing was JFK and im prayin the whole time for them until they were back in the limo.....

 

 

Ok I am extremely happy that Obama is now in office. He is such an amazing person, and has lifted America's spirit beyond which we have had in the past 8 years. *cough*bush*cough*

 

I don't hate bush, but I really dislike what he did in office. And then he goes and says that he did a good thing for our country! BS! >< (Ugh, I hope this is allowed in forums, don't want trouble)

 

BUT I agree with the worry about Obama's safety. The world is really becoming a violent one and with the racism I see these days I just can't imagine another JFK situation on our hands. It's nuts! I wish him the best, he is very very amazing. He has alot of weight to carry but I think he will at least lead us in the right direction, if not take us there.

 

 

.......**agrees**!!!! :yes:

[Shane for Wax]

Please read my first post, I have edited it with certain details I forgot to mention. :D

[FutureTXTurkey]

Also, Obama voted NO on the partial-birth ban and born-alive treatment.

That is just flat untrue. He didn't vote no, he voted present, as he explained numerous times throughout his campaign...

 

He felt that it was a very complex issue with more to it than just whether or not you were against partial birth abortions, and that the particular bill presented did not speak to all this issues such as enforcing of the law, penalties for violators, defining what level of crime it was (murder, manslaughter, ect.) and who all would be punished...they mother, the doctor, the father, all the nurses or attendants present, ect.

 

He is buy all means against partial birth abortions he just wasn't for the poorly written sensationalized bill that some hasty radical tried to push through in expedience without thought to the more complex issues and the consequences of a poorly written bill on such an important subject. Actually he tried to wright amendments to said bill and when the Republicans voted him down, then he only voted present.

 

And I'm not trying to belittle you are be argumentative, but you are accusing our President of some pretty serious wrongs there,

and I would hope that any time you accuse anyone of being for partial birth abortions you very carefully research what the person said.

Obama’s new programs cost $286B; McCain’s $211B.

Ok, so when we are talking about Billions of dollars that really isn't a huge difference...and I will openly admit not knowing a ton about what McCain's plan was.

 

However, I know that in the bills Obama put forth today he recommended a lot of government funding and it all sounded like money well spent.

 

Like more government funding for programs that gave scholarships to college students. Which you don't have to know much about past financial history to know that more college educated people means a stronger economy, and the fact holds especially true in a fee market economy like our own, where the success of the economy depends wholly on the success of the people in the nation who are both the buyers and sellers in all forms and places.

 

He also alloted money to repair roads and renovate government buildings, update them to make them more efficient and environmentally safe. That is a project that cuts costs in the long run by making the building and rodes less costly on maintenance and operations costs. It also provides funds to the poor laboring population of the country. The ones hurt most by the current economic crisis. And it is good for the environment which is good for everyone and saves more money in the long run as our resources are continually strained and more costly to harness.

 

These are just exactly like the government works projects that FDR put forth in his first 100 days, a period recognized as some of the most brilliant leadership in our nations history. And that's just to name of few of the many things he suggested that cost us yes, some money now, but pay back ten fold for future generations. Do we really want to do what is best for the country, or do we just want a quick fix for right now so we can go back to driving land yachts and buying 15 dollar cups of coffee?

Just as a side note, I'm going to get taxed to death cause of Obama....

And if you or your parents make enough money to actually be in the bracket of people that Obama is going to raise the taxes of then I'm afraid I'm just not going to have any sympathy for you where that is concerned. It is so like Americans to say fix the economy, but don't expect me to put any money in on it. Do you know how wealthy the people Obama is taxing are compared to the rest of the world? If you want to fix this country you have to do you part and make sacrifices. You can't pull a magic fix it out of thin air...you want Obama to tax the low income people like McCain was going to? As someone who shows a great interest in the American Military I would expect you of all people to recognize that you have to sacrifice for your nation. Freedom isn't free and that includes the all mighty dollar.

[Shane for Wax]

Why should I be taxed to give money to the people who went get off their butts to work? WORK HARDER PEOPLE, PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE DEPENDING ON YOU!! Also, McCain wanted to ban the taxes on internet and cell phones. Sounds like a good idea to me. I mean, we do most of our business on the internet and cell phone (Ahhh...to be free and be able to buy things).

 

Also, weren't you just saying something about capitalism and how great it is? At this point in time, Obama has a very socialist idea on what people who work hard should have to do. I'm not going to give my money to people who are lazy. At this point, I could probably file for welfare and GET IT despite being in college and having parents who work thanks to Obama.

 

If you're talking about charity, why don't you call up Obama and tell him to give up at least half of his almost 1 MILLION dollars in INCOME hmmmmmmm? In 2000, the couple (Obamas) gave $2,350 to charity, or about 1 percent of their gross income. In 2006, they donated $60,307 to charities, or about 6 percent of their gross income. In 2005, the Obamas list a $5,000 donation to their church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where the controversial Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., was Sen. Obama's pastor. If Sen. Obama tithed more regularly to the church, there's no record of it in these tax returns. In 2006, by contrast, the Obamas' combined income was $983,826. Obama had become a U.S. Senator by then, making about $165,000 a year, and his wife's income at the University of Chicago hospitals had climbed sharply to about $265,000 a year. Sen. Obama's book-writing career also had become profitable, earning him $551,240 in author fees in tax year 2006 alone. Mrs. Obama also made $51,200 that year, as director of TreeHouse Foods, "a food manufacturer servicing primarily the retail grocery and foodservice chains," according to the company's website.

 

I refuse to sacrifice the money I work hard for so people who can't even flip burgers can use it to buy themselves hummers with spinners.

 

I also did a check on my tax cuts, I am not liking what I'm seeing at all.

[*Danielle*]

Not all of the people on welfare are lazy and wont work *some of them yes unfortunatly*, some are working their butts off but dont get paid enough to pay their bills. So if you have a single mother raising 4 kids working her butt off at 2 minimum wage jobs i think there should be a program to help her out. Maybe she lived in a poor home with no money to go to college or went to college for something that is now hard to get a job in considering the current economic crisis. You shouldnt judge people you know nothing about. There is a family i know who severly need help and they can't get it because their income is to high. The wife works her butt off at a $10 an hour factory, her husband is on disability, and they have a teenage daugther at home but they barely scrape by on what they have..They sacrificed holidays and birthdays because they had no extra money........sorry i think i went a lil off topic.......

 

If you're talking about charity, why don't you call up Obama and tell him to give up at least half of his almost 1 MILLION dollars in INCOME hmmmmmmm? In 2000, the couple (Obamas) gave $2,350 to charity, or about 1 percent of their gross income. In 2006, they donated $60,307 to charities, or about 6 percent of their gross income

 

 

 

I think you contradicted yourself a little bit.I guess he did give some of his "million dollar income" to charity.

[M!!]

Oh my gosh I could talk for forever about how much I love Obama! I mean seriously if there even is a character limit on here I am sure I could more than go over it, because my adoration for Obama just has no limits. Basically to spare everyone hearing my babbling about how incredible I think he is I will just say, look at his first economic bale out plan, and how it differers from Bush's and how it is SO like FDR's, who is in my opinion the greatest president prior to Obama.

 

As far as the race issue is concerned and his safety. I'm not going to pretend like I don't worry about it because I do, but I just try not to think about it, and I try to have more faith in humanity then that. I mean if we saw anything in the Bush administration it is that many in this country wants to be a committed Christians, and there would be nothing Christian about assassinating an innocent man.

 

ASIDE FROM ALL OF THAT OBAMA JUST ROCKS! GO OBAMA GO! I AM BEHIND YOU ALL THE WAY!

 

 

 

Really, you really voted for Bill Clinton, aside from his politics which I won't argue with you about, you know he already served two terms and cannot be elected again right?

I mean I hope you were kidding, but if you weren't then please let's not disrespect the democracy with votes that are by all means either a joke and/or a waste.

 

Of course I was joking, I'm a big politics fanatic, I wouldn't do that :P But I was hesitant to vote for either at first. Simply because I didn't feel I could trust Obama at first. After eight years of nasty politics, I wasn't sure if he would stick to his word.

Also, Obama voted NO on the partial-birth ban and born-alive treatment. McCain wanted to expand embryonic stem cell research. Did Obama? FactCheck: Obama’s new programs cost $286B; McCain’s $211B. Also, McCain has been quoted as saying he's okay with gay people, he wouldn't even mind a gay president. Also: Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. He said leave it up to the states.

 

I read an article on BBC the other day saying that Obama was going ahead with stem cell plans. Originally Bush had stopped the stem cell research and held back a lot of medical advances.

 

Obama's socialist ideologies are for the betterment, growth, and genuine theme of equality we have going on in this country. Everyone keeps downing socialism like it's a life threatening disease - and it isn't. Socialized healthcare is, believe it or not, something to look forward to. It's a good thing. Socializing these things aren't going to destroy your life unless you are horrible at management yourself. Additionally, why should there be record of Obama's church donations? Better yet, are there records of YOURS? Last I checked, people were entitled to privacy.

 

I refuse to sacrifice the money I work hard for so people who can't even flip burgers can use it to buy themselves hummers with spinners.

 

I find this statement completely offensive.

[Shane for Wax]

I specifically said those who don't want to work didn't I? You'll find most of the people on welfare should not be, they can work. Have you TRIED socialized medical care? Have you seen the horror stories of those who've had to use socialized health care? It isn't going to help anyone.

 

And find it offensive if you want. Since the context was those who won't get off their butts to do work. There are a wide variety of jobs that can be done, even by people with disability. I can't work in the construction field, but I sure as heck can work on a computer. Now, for those who are unable to work one bit, yes they should get money for needs like food and a roof over their head. They should be forced to file for each purchase, given a card so that their purchases are tracked, or else you'll find them buying things that they really don't need [Entertainment would be exempted unless to excess]. For people like my lazy uncle who smokes pot and listens to music all night and sleeps all day, he should work rather than leech off of my grandmother or welfare.

 

And there aren't any records of my donations to the church because OH I don't go to church! I'm Pagan! So there wouldn't be.

 

@Danielle: I did not contradict myself considering i said at least half, whereas he only put out 1-6%.

 

-Rotcchick081, aka Brooke Wolfbane, proud Neo-Pagan (Aka Blasphemer, Republican, and bisexual woman)

 

The benefit of "Free" Health Care: http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/th...nd-early-death/

Socialized Health Care Horror Story: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/20/1179/27363

You can find many more on the internet. Go ahead, tell me how good socialized health care is after reading them.

[̊ ˉˉ ̊]

And Obama still has massive amounts of money that he could donate. (The leftover money from his campaign, many millions on dollars, that he gets to keep and use however he wants) And why not just donate some of that to those in need?

[FutureTXTurkey]

And Obama still has massive amounts of money that he could donate. (The leftover money from his campaign, many millions on dollars, that he gets to keep and use however he wants) And why not just donate some of that to those in need?

 

Wow, I love how no one researches their opinions anymore. Yay, for the republicans and the media just throwing out sensationalist garbage and thereby teaching the rest of the country that it is okay to do so. Here is a quote, directly off of Obama's website:

 

"Our success required unprecedented resources, and the Democratic National Committee played a major role on the ground efforts that generated record turnout up and down the ticket. Please make a donation to the DNC to help fund the efforts it undertook in 2008. "

 

He's not keeping the money left over from his campaign he is giving back to the DNC, who during non-election years, puts most of their funds towards charity. So thanks for playing, "Who can say the most shocking & untrue statement," but it's not going to yield any support from me or anyone with the ability to check a website.

 

Why should I be taxed to give money to the people who went get off their butts to work? WORK HARDER PEOPLE, PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE DEPENDING ON YOU!

Your right, of course, because the people on well fare not having money or in anyway being able to contribute to the national economy doesn't effect you. It's not like we all live on the same planet and are all interconnected. It's certainly not in a capitalist society we live and die by the success of everyone.

 

You should just hoard your money and scoff at people who won't, "get off their buts and work" and in the mean time you leave behind people who work their rears off but have to spend all their money on their sick child's medical bills because we no longer have government assisted health care for the poor because you won't give up a dime to help you fellow man and meanwhile we wonder why the economy is in the toilet and we can blame on those lousy democrats and their overspending while you drive your own hummer with spinners that you bought just to make sure some, "!*#@# lazy illegal alien drug addict welfare case" didn't get your hard earned money!

 

And all I can say about that is, I feel sorry for you, and god have mercy on you if your luck ever turns and you are dependent on the kindness of strangers.

 

If you're talking about charity, why don't you call up Obama and tell him to give up at least half of his almost 1 MILLION dollars in INCOME hmmmmmmm?

 

Obama should give more of his money to charity. I agree 100% We should all give more of the money we waste on nonesense, to the needy. Except I'm pretty sure it doesn't take an ounce of research to find that most of Obama's money from his books went to his campaign....

 

So it's not like he was spending it on...oh I dunno...like so many houses he didn't even know how many he owned? Not naming any names, but I actually hear that there are people out there wasting so much money that they can't even keep track of what all they wasted it on *shrugs*

 

I guess whether your like it or not Obama is president now, and you can just keep crying into your coffee about how McCain would have been better. Meanwhile the government puts their money in, Obama puts his money in, I put my money in, and every one with a heart puts their money in, and things get better. Then we can afford to let you just selfishly sit their giving nothing and gaining the benefits of the rest of the countries team effort. Which gee...

 

Now who is it that won't contribute? Certainly sounds like you don't want to put anymore effort into to nations greater good than the supposedly "lazy" people on welfare. You just want to do what's best for yourself and the rest of should follow your example. Sure...that sounds like a winning plan. Isolationist, selfish politics served this country so well in the past.

[Shane for Wax]

Exactly rosyfinch, glad we're on the same page about that. :)

 

Also, I give to charity, like Goodwill, both monetarily and by giving away my old clothes, my old furniture, etc., So you can't say I'm not doing my part. But I'd rather have a choice in the matter, wouldn't you?

[FutureTXTurkey]

Also, I give to charity, like Goodwill, both monetarily and by giving away my old clothes, my old furniture, etc., So you can't say I'm not doing my part. But I'd rather have a choice in the matter, wouldn't you?

 

Sacrificing the old stuff that you don't want isn't going to cut it; people who can't feed themselves or get health care won't have their lives changed by your old t-shirt and corded phone.

 

Not to belittle the work they do at the Goodwill it's an excellent charity that I too contribute to and support fully, but can't you people understand that the nation is in a crisis, and no longer can we act only in the best interest of ourselves and our families.

 

We have to dig deep and contribute fully to wealth and betterment of the country as a whole. We have to be prepared to give more and work harder than we ever have before, and god forbid part with some of our precious money to support and save the country we all love so much.

 

Just for the record my family too is in the tax bracket of those whose taxes will be increased, and I am proud to say that we are more than happy to sacrifice frivolous expenses and luxury items if it means that our fellow Americans don't have to scrap and struggle just to get the basics. Even if they are lazy, I have plenty, and I'm not lazy, so I'm happy to share what I have and work just a little bit harder.

 

Edit: I just wanted to say that I was sorry. I am little too passionate about politics not to get heated in a debate like this one, but it doesn't give me the right to attack you on a personal level. If anything I said was too offensive or rude please forgive me. I try to be professional in debates, but sometimes my emotions get the better of me. Please anyone on the other side of this argument know that I don't harbor any ill will towards you, and as far as I'm concerned anything said in this debate or any differences we have don't exist outside of this topic. I know that all concerned just want what they think is best for the country...we just have different ideas about what that is, and I will continue to respect and enjoy our company as a forum member of TDN.

[Shane for Wax]

I do want to say the following phrase from Voltaire comes to mind: I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. :)

 

But anyways, we were supposed to give opinions about Obama, not about the economy or the class system. lol

 

BTW, most of the stuff given to Goodwill is not stuff I don't want, rather it is stuff I can't fit into my home, or that I have outgrown (in the case of clothes). Anyways, it's poor debate etiquette to personally attack someone. :) So in future, try to avoid that. ;)

 

And to you as well, it isn't against you when my opinions smack against yours. To be honest I'm used to people agreeing with me. LOL. But I do love a good debate. Some helpful tips: Factcheck.org is what I use when I'm about to debate politics or anything that can be controlled by politics. You also need to check sources that are not attached to either the republican or democratic party. So, I apologize if anything I say offends anyone, at least I'm not directing the offensive comments at specific people, cause I could do that. :P

[Ruto]

Thank you, Tara, for apologizing.

 

To everyone else:

 

These debate forums are not meant to become a source to bash others who do not agree with your point of view. This forum is for intelligent debate. If we can't keep this thread calm and reasonable, it will be locked.

[Unstream]

Uh, to kinda nudge this topic back on track...

 

I think Obama is a great guy. I mean, he gets to the job asap, and he doesn't promise to have everything fixed in a second, or tell everyone that he'll pull all of the soldiers out of the war by the end of this month. He's realistic. And I like his sense of humor. My favorite quote from him is "My greatest strength is my humility. My greatest weakness? It's possible that I am a little too awesome."

 

But just a little side note, taxes were initiated because private organizations and donations from people were not enough to provide good health care, give the government enough funding, create better working conditions, improve the environment, etc. And the thing is, there are a ton of people willing to get off their butts and work or are working their butts off, and maybe they're trying to raise 10 kids at the same time, or a family divorced and the mother was forced to take care of all of the kids and the father doesn't send any money. And then those kids will have to help their mother raise enough money to support their family so they can actually eat three meals a day, and then since they have to do that, they can't get a good education since they're so focused on surviving. That's why I support Obama's plan for government handouts. For the people that are screwed over because of something they didn't do.

[*Danielle*]

My favorite quote from him is "My greatest strength is my humility. My greatest weakness? It's possible that I am a little too awesome."

 

lol thats great i never heard him say that.

 

but even though it did get heated i think it was a good debate