A Hunch About Brackets

[voteforpedro333]

I believe I've found a coincidence too good to be true, and a good explanation why.

 

I became automatically suspicious when teams started to replay each other, especially the day right after their same match-up. I waited until the round was finished, and found myself intrigued. Looking at the replays bracket by bracket:

 

Alabriss bracket

Replays:
KD vs MD, identical scores (2nd & 3rd days)
KL vs DC, identical scores (3rd & 4th days)

Played all teams:
LD
MI

Minitheus bracket

Replays:
KI vs HW, different scores (2nd & 3rd days)
BV vs TY, identical scores (3rd & 4th days)

Played all teams:
TM
MQ

Vaeolus bracket

Replays:
RI vs SK, different scores (3rd & 5th days)
AL vs VP, identical scores (3rd & 4th days)

Played all teams:
FL
ML

 

[Please feel free to double check these for me.]

 

Anyways, what completed the puzzle was several people that reread the rules and remembering that we were supposed to be having random break days during the brackets AND still be playing each of the other five teams at least once.

 

Conclusion? The days that a replay occurred was actually supposed to be a bye day, but the system wasn't actually working, probably a bug in their code. I would continue one step further and say that it just copied the match up from the day before, but because the RI vs SK replay wasn't consecutive, then I can't say for certain. It's also a little strange because there ARE teams that played all five of their opponents, which meant their bye day would have been on the last day, but the rules said it wouldn't be the first or last day. I want to see if there's a repeat in the second round of this pattern, or maybe see if they fix this. Either way, thoughts?

[AgJu]

it makes sense because all the teams you listed as having played every team in their first bracket (and I can vouch for Terror Mountain) are in the same bracket this round. I'm not good with coding or the technical computer stuff so I can't argue on anything else, but what you put here makes sense.

 

Edit: I'm wrong. Not all of the teams are in the same bracket. We have LD and MI and MQ. I don't get this system but I'm not questioning things so much unless I see some obvious bull like last year when Terror Mountain finished the tournament without ever facing three of the other teams. Even if Terror Mountain gets its butt kicked, I feel like each team should face all the other 17 teams at some point in a tournament.

[neo_ryan_3_3_3]

But it says in the rules "The schedule consists of a quintet of five game rounds with four "bye" days included." quintet means five in a row. From this I had figured that we'd all play 5 games, have a bye day, play 5 more, bye day, 5 games, bye day, 5 games, bye day, 5 more final games. I don't think there are any bugs, I think it's more that TNT has a weird way of scheduling.

[siniri]

Here are two quotes from what the rules used to say:

 

Tournament play is made up of five rounds. For each round, six teams will be placed into one of three brackets. During the round, every team in the bracket will play each other once.

 

This year, there will be four .bye. days. The bye days will happen once per round during the first four rounds, and will not fall on either the first or last day of a round.

TNT changed the rules sometime Tuesday.

[AgJu]

I wonder about the bracket rankings. Is it based on high score submissions or an average among all players for the team? Does it take scores into account? More or less goals in YYB? Are things weighted such that the larger teams aren't just steamrolling the smaller teams? Etc.

[voteforpedro333]

I wonder about the bracket rankings. Is it based on high score submissions or an average among all players for the team? Does it take scores into account? More or less goals in YYB? Are things weighted such that the larger teams aren't just steamrolling the smaller teams? Etc.

 

I wonder that too. They've never been clear about the whole averaging thing, and at one point they said that freeloaders didn't affect scores. There must be some sort of consideration for size of teams too, at least by now.

 

I remember that during DRR each game in itself was worth a certain number of points. Winning YYB for the day would award x amount of points, getting a draw was half as much, and the side games had their own values, but less than YYB. I felt that it made the most sense that way, since it made all the games feel important and, if I recall correctly, sidesweeping actually gave a significant amount of points (which helped strong side game teams rise higher in the rankings). If someone else remembers the old weighting for the scores, that would be super useful to see if they're still using it now.

 

This year it feels like the side games almost don't matter, and the concept of drawing doesn't happen because of the ratio thing they're doing now. Like, are they adding up the ratios from day to day like points or what? It's all really convoluted from this end.

[AgJu]

it's all very confusing and messy. Overall, I just want my team to do well but wondering about all this can be distracting.

[Maxdestru333]

Here are two quotes from what the rules used to say:

TNT changed the rules sometime Tuesday.

doesn't that mean that all TNT changed was that each team will face each other once in each round, cuz they did the bracket thing, and they did the Bye day right before he new bracket started so, it' not that much of a lie.

[voteforpedro333]

Looks like it did indeed change for the second round, though this time the replays that happened show a much more damning result. The Alabriss and Vaeolus brackets had NO replays, but the Minitheus did:

Replays:
LD vs RI, identical scores (1st & 3rd days)
MI vs AL, identical scores (3rd & 5th days)

Played all teams:
MQ
TM

 

And guess which teams didn't play each other? LD didn't play MI (they played each other in the first round though), but Roo Island still didn't play Altador. It even looks like the 3rd day's matches should have been LD vs MI and RI vs AL. Why, now that the other two brackets didn't get replays, did this bracket get a replay? Are they really trying to prevent these two teams from playing? I don't even know anymore.

 

Judging from this, teams should expect to play everyone in their bracket during these next rounds. Hopefully.

[AgJu]

Looks like it did indeed change for the second round, though this time the replays that happened show a much more damning result. The Alabriss and Vaeolus brackets had NO replays, but the Minitheus did:

 

Replays:

LD vs RI, identical scores (1st & 3rd days)

MI vs AL, identical scores (3rd & 5th days)

 

Played all teams:

MQ

TM

 

And guess which teams didn't play each other? LD didn't play MI (they played each other in the first round though), but Roo Island still didn't play Altador. It even looks like the 3rd day's matches should have been LD vs MI and RI vs AL. Why, now that the other two brackets didn't get replays, did this bracket get a replay? Are they really trying to prevent these two teams from playing? I don't even know anymore.

 

Judging from this, teams should expect to play everyone in their bracket during these next rounds. Hopefully.

Are we really the only ones who have faced every team in our first two brackets?

[voteforpedro333]

TM, along with MQ, ML, and FL. Curiously, TM and MQ have played each other twice, and ML and FL have played each other twice as well, just in separate rounds (on the third days of round 1 and 2).