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[CAV of Gang Green]

And Bonds cheated by using steroids. But no. He still owns the record.

[Sofa]

Stupid. I guess there must be some sort of reason for it, some loophole in the rule or something?

[CAV of Gang Green]

Stupid. I guess there must be some sort of reason for it, some loophole in the rule or something?

 

I have no idea. I should check into it.

[Sofa]

I'd be interested to find out, wouldn't have a clue where to start looking though, so I'll leave it to you!

[CAV of Gang Green]

Found an article:

 

With all of the speculation surrounding Barry Bonds, it'd be understandable if Hank Aaron wanted his title of all-time home run leader restored. After all, the 715 career homers he blasted were powered only by adrenaline and natural power.

 

But Aaron tells the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he doesn't want his old record back. ""If you did that, you'd have to go back and change all kinds of records, and the [home run] record was very important to me," Aaron said. "It's probably the most hallowed record out there, as far as I'm concerned, but it's now in the hands of somebody else. It belongs to Barry. No matter how we look at it, it's his record, and I held it for a long time. But my take on all of this has always been the same. I'm not going to say that Barry's got it because of this or because of that, because I don't know."

 

It seems like Aaron has remained very classy through this whole process and he should be commended him for his humility. On the other hand, if Bonds is found guilty of using banned substances, why shouldn't commissioner Bud Selig make Aaron's 715 the benchmark again? It sure would be nice to live in a world where sports' most important record was free of taint.

 

Seems as though Aaron is being modest.

[Sofa]

Interesting stuff. It does seem like he's being very modest and non-judgemental about it. I think if I were him I'd be pretty mad. I suppose if everyone knows that his record was only beaten by a cheat he doesn't need to make a fuss about it though, because The fact that someone had to cheat do better just makes him and what he achieved look even better.

[CAV of Gang Green]

If my record was beaten by a cheat (and it once was), then I'd be angry.

[Sofa]

I don't think I've ever cheated on anything that actually mattered, the only thing I can remember is cheating on a board game once when I was younger, and then I felt so guilty that I made myself lose, lol. There's no sense of achievement if you win/do well at something because you've cheated.

[CAV of Gang Green]

I never cheated on anything important as well.

[Tyler.]

I'm to lazy to cheat, which is pretty sad

[-Ryan]

I don't cheat, period. Except on Morrowind. I cheat on Morrowind, but only so I don't die.

[Seliphra]

I only cheat on my DS games.

Anything that matters like school work I feel is too important to cheat, if I fail it then it means I have to try harder.

[Divya Bean]

I dont cheat on important stuff. On random play-only-once-and-then-get-bored-games I could care less, but on school stuff, definitely not. I use the cheats on DS games too like Mario. :king: Harhar.

[antiaircraft]

I only cheat when I'm playing an RTS and getting pwned by a surprisingly skilled AI. xD Apart from that, I really enjoy challenges, so I avoid doing anything to spoil them.

 

That said, I've never been able to really play sports, so... *shrug*

[Masaryk]

I will cheat when playing D&D. If I'm gamemastering, I will sometimes fudge rolls to not kill characters. And, if I'm a player, I will very occasionally cheat on a dice roll if there is something I really want my character to succeed at, usually a skill check. I'm only prone to doing this because there is one player in my group that seems to roll extraordinarily high all the time (I sincerely believe he cheats often), and I don't want his character beating my character at something that my character should be better at doing.

 

Example for people who care:

 

Suppose I'm playing a roguish character that is trained at picking locks. Our adventuring party stumble upon a locked door we would like to enter. I roll a check to open the lock, and I roll a 5, which I add to my skill of 15 to get a total of 20. My 20 is not good enough to open the lock (I needed a 25), so the other player will take a try with his character. He has 6 in his skill, so he would need to roll a 19 or a 20 to succeed. Miraculously, he rolls a 19 and opens the lock.

 

This would be fine if it happened once, but it happens 9 times out of 10. It's very frustrating to constantly get outdone by someone that consistently outshines your character at something your character should excel at doing. I have not seen this guy claim to make a roll between 5 and 15 in a very long time.

 

[Sofa]

So, what do people think about using game guides for say getting PS3 trophies or in-game achievements on other consoles? Does it count as cheating because you've not worked out how to do it yourself? My friend and I tend to go through the game on our own first and do as much as we can, and if we still can't figure certain bits out, then we'll look it up in the guides on IGN. That way we get to know that we achieved as much as we could & just needed a bit of extra help. :)

[Masaryk]

I used to think of using game guides as "cheating" in the loosest sense of the term. Then I got a job. Now, game guides are a necessity if I actually want to finish a game, since I don't have time to figure everything out for myself. I'll always try solving something first, but I won't let myself get hung up on it for hours anymore. If I can't figure out what I need to do in a reasonable amount of time or a reasonable number of attempts, I'll look it up. Usually, I'll find out that I knew what I needed to do do, but I missed something or I was not quite good enough at what I needed to do.

[Sofa]

That's pretty much where I stand on it...there's just not enough time in life to get stuck for ages on one thing and you're nearly always there anyway.

[Divya Bean]

I dont know if guides are technically cheats. Cheats could be considered as "holes" in the game that you can "manipulate" to get a higher score. Guides could be considered as people figuring out how to solve a puzzle and sharing their process with other people. To me, it doesnt sound like cheating.

[Spritzie]

I agree with Divya. I don't seem game guides as cheating. It's telling you things to do, and helps you learn it. It's hard playing something when you have no clue what's going on and it's all trial and error.

[CAV of Gang Green]

Sorry to go off topic, but I just finished the campain of Black Ops..........freaky, but amazing. Best campain in CoD history.

[livvy]

I used to think of game guides as cheating, but now they're kind of necessary. I still get the same feeling of accomplishment as if I'd bumbled around for hours before figuring it out; it's not like the guide did the work for me. It just did the mind-reading. :P

[Spritzie]

Some games, they're really difficult without. I remember watching my sister stumble around that Myst game for hours, having not much of a clue what she was doing. She never did finish the game.

[antiaircraft]

Considering that I actually write game guides... I don't think they're that much of an issue. xD If you want to take a little leg-up in a game, a guide will give you just that, without necessarily taking away the actual challenge of accomplishing it (although this depends on the game). That's something I think is very useful. :yes:

[Spritzie]

Like Mutant Graveyard of Doom on Neopets. I understood the idea of the game. But after reading a guide, I got a tip that allowed me to score higher. They're a huge help.