Dedicated Neopets IRC Server

[Dakota]

Ok I already sent a message to the staff as a request but now i need to know from you guys

 

What would yall say to an IRC Server dedicated strickly to neopets? This is something I have been working on for the past 16 hours and would like to know everyones opinion on it.

[Superfly]

I'd be interested in this, definitely! Let me know updates. I have a server too, if you need a server to use!

[Ruto]

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Your second topic has been deleted because TJ's post is ranked important by both TJ and I. ;o

[Guest HBK]

I like that. It would be quite cool to create tdn's IRC channel and then integrate it on the main site so anyone can chat. Hum, nice...

[Xepha]

Nice but I don't think Neopets will allow it because they already have hard time to moderate their board and people would abuse it to send links to cheat program, cookie grabber sites and the like. It's really hard to control... Also, with the amount of people that would be on, the different languages, etc... it would take more than just 1 room. I can't even imagine how many more staffer they would need to keep it up.

[Guest HBK]

Hum, V, some ideas you bring up there...

 

First, sure people might bring up links to dubious sites, but that is easily fixed with a permanent ban to the offender. It's like our forum, if we didn't have moderators to keep this running, then people would abuse it. And TNT can't do anything, if it's our IRC channel. It's not like we're going to advertise it on the Neoboards.

 

And regarding offsite, well, it's basically going to be tdn's IRC channel and be linked to our home page if we do get this running (since that's the easiest part). A Java app takes care of that for the main site, and people can join also using any ol' IRC client like mIRC or Chatzilla.

 

And no, you can't have 'rooms' in IRC, it's called channels. And we'll only have 1, which is perfectly enough for General Chat unless we want to talk about a specific event, then we create another one (like for Key Quest or something). We'd make English obligatory. If English is enforced on our forums, people willing to participate will have to speak English or they will be banned. It's basically applying the same language rules as TDN.

 

Staffers...hum, I'd say 3 or 4 to keep it running smoothly. It's like moderating...but on IRC. I've great experience with IRC (used to be former moderator of the official DS-X channel [that's an extinct DS flash cart, btw] and GBATemp.net's [which is active and running]) and it doesn't take many to keep a certain order on there.

 

Sure, it's a pretty big idea, but we can pull this off since I think it's time that we got some kind of a shoutbox, since ours isn't available and the Neopets community is already sick of forums (you have tons of Neopets forums, but nothing in real-time).

[Xepha]

Well, you would not find me on any irc channel because I don't like to get involved in live discussion much. It's disturbing me and I'm too shy anyway to contribute to conversation.

 

The way it was worded, I thought the suggestion had been made to TNT, not to Ian.

[Dakota]

Ok now that I have gotten some opinions.

 

 

Here is what would happen

 

There are going to be 7 different channels

 

#Neopets-General

#Neopets-Battledome

#Neopets-Quest

#Neopets-Trading

#Neopets-Auctions

#Neopets-Help

#Neopets-Guilds

 

True I have already set up the server. Everything is ready to go at a moments notice.

 

Now,

 

There would be 3 mods per channel.

 

Also, any user can create a channel (for example, a channel for there guild). BUT to register it they would need intervention from a IRCop (my staff). This is to cut down on users creating offensive channels #PORN or #WAREZ. Yes those have been blocked, but they can always use wild cards like #P$RN or something like that. English would be A MUST. No way around that. There is also a bot in there that kicks users for posting offensive this like for instance "That person is a b****" The bot would kick the user and should they do it again it would BAN the user. Also, the server is a DEDICATED server meaning it can only be used for neopets related chatting. There doesn't need to be any channels called #WOW (World of Warcraft) lol. Users will also obey the rules that neopets has as well such as NO ASKING FOR PEOPLES PASSWORDs... that should b3 common sense... Like was previously mentioned an IRC server would be a great addition and a great resource. Users needing more information either post here or send me a message via one of the following

 

YAHOO - illegalsoftware5

MSN - [email protected]

AOL/AIM - illegalsoftware5

 

Well, you would not find me on any irc channel because I don't like to get involved in live discussion much. It's disturbing me and I'm too shy anyway to contribute to conversation.

 

The way it was worded, I thought the suggestion had been made to TNT, not to Ian.

 

Sorry it was sent to Ian NOT TNT lol

 

Nice but I don't think Neopets will allow it because they already have hard time to moderate their board and people would abuse it to send links to cheat program, cookie grabber sites and the like. It's really hard to control... Also, with the amount of people that would be on, the different languages, etc... it would take more than just 1 room. I can't even imagine how many more staffer they would need to keep it up.

 

 

About this comment here. External links will be PROHIBITED. If the bot doesn't catch them then a Mod will and sending a link to ANY kind of program or hack site not only gets you banned from ALL dedicated channels, but also from the server via the AKILL feature. (IRC Admins know what i am talking about)

[Awesome_Paul]

Sure, it's a pretty big idea, but we can pull this off since I think it's time that we got some kind of a shoutbox, since ours isn't available and the Neopets community is already sick of forums (you have tons of Neopets forums, but nothing in real-time).

 

We did have a shoutbox. There were two reasons why ian got rid of it.

-Too much spam

-The forums came inactive because everyone was talking on the SB.

 

The problem with this chat is that they can't have loads of questions going at once.

On the forums, you can have as many questions/boards as you want. In the chatroom, you pretty much have one topic per channel (until one goes quiet, then you can ask something)

[Dakota]

We did have a shoutbox. There were two reasons why ian got rid of it.

-Too much spam

-The forums came inactive because everyone was talking on the SB.

 

The problem with this chat is that they can't have loads of questions going at once.

On the forums, you can have as many questions/boards as you want. In the chatroom, you pretty much have one topic per channel (until one goes quiet, then you can ask something)

 

Hence the reason for the multiple channels

 

You are correct though about the "many" questions at once. Well from my past experiences i have seen 1200 people in a channel and it still flow "smoothly".... Just because people are in there doesn't always mean that they are going to "talk". Some people just stay in and leave there computer on... The dedicated channels CANT be spammed, hence the reason for the bot. Right now its set to kick users for posting 6 lines within a 10 second period, but this can be changed to fit channel needs.

[Xepha]

Well, now my question is : who would be in charge for this channel and who would operate it?

[Dakota]

Well, now my question is : who would be in charge for this channel and who would operate it?

 

 

I knew this question would come up. Here is the answer

 

 

There are 3 different "operators" for this let me explain

 

 

Moderators - HOP (Half Operator Status) These would be the users whom we appoint to moderate the channels

Super Moderators AOP (Channel Operator Status) These users would be appointed by us to oversee the channel and make sure moderators are doing there job.

Channel Administrators SOP (Super Operator Status) These users are given full rights to a channel with the permission to add new mods, kick mods, etc.

 

My staff and I will oversee the Server in general (IRC Server Administrator) My job will just to make sure the server is running properly. IRC Staff does NOT get involved in channel disputes (e.g., he banned me i want back in.) stuff like that. That would be taken up by the Admins.

 

As far as who operates it? Well to put it simple "CoMa" operates it (Community Management). But CoMa gives this power to the Channel Administrators (SOP). So in simply terms whoever has SOP status will "run" the channels. If users begin to cause problems (spamming, ban evading) then they can contact the IRC Staff and we will AUTOKILL the user. So anytime that user attempts to connect he will be immediately disconnected via the AUTOKILL feature.

 

In the beginning IRC Staff WILL oversee the channels. Once we get a "steady" staff for the channels IRC Staff will relinquish there position in the channels. Remember Moderators DO NOT have power outside of the "dedicated" channels nor do the AOP/SOP. Also, the "staff" isn't a position that is granted to anyone. There will be an application process. Same with IRC Staff there is an application process for that too. For the time applications are only being approved by me. If Ian agrees then he too will be able to approve/reject applications. IRC Staff and Channel Staff positions will be taken seriously.

 

www.neopetsonline.net This is actually a link to my website (Boards Only). This would become the official IRC Forums for Neopets (in association with TDN).

 

"DOWN FOR REMODELING"

 

What might happen is "tdnforums" be for Neopets Forums and i can use "neopetsonline" as the IRC Forums. This might actually be what will happen

[Awesome_Paul]

Hence the reason for the multiple channels

 

You are correct though about the "many" questions at once. Well from my past experiences i have seen 1200 people in a channel and it still flow "smoothly".... Just because people are in there doesn't always mean that they are going to "talk". Some people just stay in and leave there computer on... The dedicated channels CANT be spammed, hence the reason for the bot. Right now its set to kick users for posting 6 lines within a 10 second period, but this can be changed to fit channel needs.

 

You said the channels would be battledome, general etc.

Imagine, you want a question about battling the Meerca henchman. You go into that channel and you see many people talking about different weapons. You're pretty much stuck with your question.

 

If it was a board, there be many questions at once. In general, IRC has its places for some places, but taking over a forum, I think not sadly. It be too much hassle.

 

Forums are easy because they just watch the new posts as they come in. IRC, the mods will have to switch to a different channel every 5 minutes, and they will have to hire about 20 more Mods to keep a eye on it at all times.

[Dakota]

You said the channels would be battledome, general etc.

Imagine, you want a question about battling the Meerca henchman. You go into that channel and you see many people talking about different weapons. You're pretty much stuck with your question.

 

If it was a board, there be many questions at once. In general, IRC has its places for some places, but taking over a forum, I think not sadly. It be too much hassle.

 

Forums are easy because they just watch the new posts as they come in. IRC, the mods will have to switch to a different channel every 5 minutes, and they will have to hire about 20 more Mods to keep a eye on it at all times.

 

Not entirely.

 

Not entirely if you have 3 mods per channel with a single mod modding a max of 2 channels then there shouldn't be a problem. I see where your coming from though. But honestly I DOUBT people would talk about a weapon for 1 hour. I just find that hard to believe. Altho i have seen it. Yes hiring mods would be something that would have to be done, but i CAN be done. Now the Channel Admins would have the MOST work as they would have to oversee ALL 7 or 8 dedicated channels. But this is simple as they are all tabbed in most clients. And if its a question between 2 users then use the "Query" feature (Similar to Instant Messaging) (1-1).

[Awesome_Paul]

Though you're missing the point.

 

Forums/Boards: Quick, Easy, organized. You have your own board for your question, you can disappear for 30+ mins and the answer may be there

 

IRC: Disorganized, Slow. You ask a question (in a midst of another topic) you have to keep watch of that screen to hope someone answers it. Come back 30+ and you lost your answer.

 

Some people don't like to spend all day on their pc. Some like to post a question then disappear and do other things. That way when they come back, they will see a answer there and the conversation can be more detailed.

 

Not entirely if you have 3 mods per channel

 

So 3 mods per channel, you said 7 channels. That be 21 mods.

AND you need back up mods or mods at different time zones. Thats over 40 mods.

[Dakota]

Though you're missing the point.

 

Forums/Boards: Quick, Easy, organized. You have your own board for your question, you can disappear for 30+ mins and the answer may be there

 

IRC: Disorganized, Slow. You ask a question (in a midst of another topic) you have to keep watch of that screen to hope someone answers it. Come back 30+ and you lost your answer.

 

Some people don't like to spend all day on their pc. Some like to post a question then disappear and do other things. That way when they come back, they will see a answer there and the conversation can be more detailed.

 

 

 

So 3 mods per channel, you said 7 channels. That be 21 mods.

AND you need back up mods or mods at different time zones. Thats over 40 mods.

 

That what Super Channel Mods and Channel Admins are for. They can moderate when normal mods arn't. And yes about the above referenced question. The boards are a great place for people who DONT spend all day on the computer, but for those who do then IRC would be a great place... Provided users can keep it a "clean" place.

 

All we can really do is give it a "trial" run and see how it goes. If after about 2 weeks we see its not worth it then we can drop it. Till then i say lets try it and see

[antiaircraft]

All we can really do is give it a "trial" run and see how it goes. If after about 2 weeks we see its not worth it then we can drop it. Till then i say lets try it and see

I agree with that point - if there's potential, and we have the resources set up, why not give it a shot? I don't see any devastating consequences that could result from a trial run.

[Dakota]

I agree with that point - if there's potential, and we have the resources set up, why not give it a shot? I don't see any devastating consequences that could result from a trial run.

 

Well regretfully Ian said no to it. BUT for those users who are stilling wanting too here is the information you would need.

 

Server

 

neopetsonline.game-server.cc

 

More information can be found at www.neopetsonline.net

[Guest HBK]

Hum, I'm still interested in this project. Problem is I went on the IRC channel with ChatZilla and it's not very popular, so we need a way to promote it if this project is planning to go forward.

[antiaircraft]

Well I could do a little word-of-mouth magic here and there, but I doubt that would be effective. Maybe it'll increase in popularity as people learn about it through this topic? :P

[Whacker]

Honestly, I don't think this will get very far. TDN get a LOT of visitors -- if this gets very successful there will be far too many people in the channels to have proper conversations. If the channels don't overcrowd, then they will only be serving a very small minority of visitors and wouldn't be worth the hassle.

 

That said, an active IRC community would probably take away from the forum's activity.

 

Also, if you're not planning on having web-based access to the IRC channels, this whole project is doomed to fail. Frankly, downloading, installing and joining a channel is a little too.. complicated for many of our visitors ;) It'd be much easier if they could just stick their username in a web page, click a button and have instant access to the channel.

[Guest HBK]

Well, obviously that will be implemented, if this goes forward, Whacker.

[Mike.]

Wow, this project seems awesome. :P I didn't read ALL of the first page, but does Ian already know about this? I think that would help quite a bit, too.

 

I would definitely use this IRC, btw. =D