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Happy Birthday, V :]

 

Have a great day, chat soon.

Argh, that's such a bad movie. It's full of rubbish overtones at the end on how we have to save the world.

 

Some bits are good - the Mexican penguins, yay - but id rather watch aaaanything else than that. SUCH a bad movie.

 

(I wana see Sweeny Todd, but that's an 18 in the UK. :()

I don't think you'll be refunded, you'll probably get credit to get a magazine subscription with any other of Beckett's magazines - but I'd phone them up if I were you.

I'm not getting condescending with you, and I'm confused a little by your last comment - as if to say I was acting in an irrespectable manner? Perhaps that wasn't your intention to claim that, I'm not sure. I'll ignore it just to stop an argument. :(

 

To be honest, it's not my concern how much effort IDB users have put in. I've stated numerous times how it is legal and how I think it's viable competition.

 

I'm sorry you don't agree. I just hope things will get a little better after Ian's investigation is complete. :(

 

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Attribution will be given as far as I'm aware in due course.

 

However, I'd like to point out that your site was in no way bot-leached, and I personally resent any claim that it was. Members of staff - myself included - spent months on end inputting everything into the database, item by item. They spent a lot of time, and to say that it was a quick hitch-job is just totally...wrong. TDN uses BBcodes to run the formatting (for instance, in the inputting form, inputting [l] into the 'attack' would produce a light icon) - as it does with the main site ([eurl=url]text[/eurl] gives an external url), and spelling errors are most likely mistakes which are unavoidable.

 

The battlepedia - a department of the site - doesn't carry adverts. The main site carries adverts, but provides no content from IDB or tdnBP where the ads are shown.

 

I'm sure the CC licence will be resolved.

 

I'm going to ask for this topic to be closed pending the investigation that Ian's conducting. I'm sorry it's got a little nasty; hopefully everyone can come out of the situation well. :(

So I suppose that means no more free codestones and NP from the word scambles? Shame. =(

 

From what I've read online, the content inside it looked quite interesting, actually. Ahh well.

As i've stated twice now, it is totally legal because IDB have agreed - when they added the CC licence to their site - that the information is free to reuse in any shape or form.

 

Nonetheless, Ian has just apologised for the few mistakes that were made, and I'd hope you'd accept that.

 

I don't need to make comparisons - I speak to every staff member here and I know that they're all reliable people who do their jobs amazingly well. (And seriously, how many ways can you phrase some of the notes that would be on some items? There's only a few ways of saying "limit one", and "limit one" is the most obvious one that anyone would use - hence why it's a phrase that TDN staff members probably chose.)

 

Legally, nothing is wrong. That's that. Morally, there've been a few cases where plagiarism might have occured, but that's being dealt with. I think, unfortunately, you fail to see the amount of effort that has gone into tdnBP. The site is much more functional than IDB, and runs much nicer; in addition, the workload was spread over around 6 people, whereas IDB probably has loads of staff and certainly uses its community to keep it running. Six people to pull that off is a remarkable ask, and they've certainly pulled it off very well.

 

Personally, I consider that the end of the story; Ian certainly has apologised, and I'd imagine you'd do well to understand the various issues raised. tdnBP is perfectly legal, is (in my view) a much better competition for IDB, and the effort that has gone into it is astounding. They've done really well, and Ian's made sure that it won't happen again (and they're going to check all the items again anyway to stop plagiarism)...I'm sorry you feel so bad about it, but try to understand the reasoning I've laid out, if you could. :)

I didn't claim that the staff had done that much testing, that they'd tested a load of weapons. That's true. But we did as much research as we could - and you'll notice TDN is doing weapons tests right now on the weapons that they cant find.

 

And nonetheless, TDN is legally free to copy and redistribute the whole site pretty much in whole - word-for-word - if they had wanted to, because of the Creative Commons licence which IDB has put themselves under, effectively giving TDN the right to copy as they so desire with accreditation - if they had wanted to.. Stealing isn't a matter that appears in this situation, simply because IDB has entered themselves into a licence which allows you to take the information - much like Wikipedia. (And do you think that major companies don't use information from other resources? All the world's major news agencies take most of their news from companies who report the news, and don't actually make it themselves. A lot of the world's major broadcasters rely on other resources, such as Reuters and Associated Press, to do the job for them. TDN could do that with IDB, but they haven't.)

 

That's besides the point. I know full well how much effort people put into that department, and they've come up with an end product that is much easier and much nicer for visitors to use. And that's exactly the point of competition. Of course TDN want to honestly compete as a resource - and seeing as they haven't copied word-for-word from IDB as you claim, they're already doing that. They're very much competeing as a good and better alternative resource, with the layout and tools they've already implemented (and I know there's more to come, that IDB certainly don't have).

 

Let's not get all shouty, anyways. Ooerr.

Nannerz, throwing around allegations like that with no support is, unfortunately, quite regrettable. The team has been working on this since October. They have - and for some time I with them - worked their backsides off bringing that project to you guys, I assure you.

 

Competition between sites is what makes sites stand out. A major rival site has released a database which is exactly similar to neoitems.net; they've not done it because they're bored, it's to gain more visitors, provide a good feature which people use, and ultimately shine through.

 

And, in my view, this competition has shone through on TDN's side; the site provides information in a much cleaner, much easier, much better way than IDB does, and is up-to-date as much as it can be.

 

And regardless of that, IDB provides a link to a Creative Commons licence on every page of their site, which is a recognised licence which states that they give the right to non-commercial use of their work to share (copy, transmit and distribute) and remix (adapt) the work on the site. Even if TDN did make use of IDB's resources and community intellect - which I can assure you they did not to such an extent that it would be "stealing" - it would be legal under the licence applied to the site anyway.

You have the taskbar on the side? Interesting =] I tried that once, but it annoyed the hell out of me. It's not good when you're trying to work and it takes up a lot of screen space.

 

Hehe, very...electrical?!

 

I'm not a fan of the font on the icon labels though, i must admit; sorry, hehe. :P

"lemonest cannot carry any more items! The maximum anybody can carry is 50."

 

Unfortunately, I can't send you one over. When you've emptied your account, lizkoukis is selling 11 of them for 1,050 NP.

 

The NeoBoards are usually best for this kind of thing, on the dedicated Quests board - you might get a faster response.

Mine's pretty boring :P Just sorted it out, a New Years clean, I guess. ;D

 

Windows Live Messenger, the Limewire installation file, Firefox (not that I use it), 'music' folder that contains aaall of my music and other stuff that I dump in there, and the full Recycle bin. :P

 

Then some weather gadgets, and the news. ;D

 

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/1/3/...anm_cdb242d.png

Oooherr.

 

Mine'll be low, methinks.

 

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Yes, make sure you make use of the extra submissions - make your moneyss. ;o

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Send Ian a PM, as was suggested, but we don't have a 'blog system'.

 

The news on the front page is automatically retrieved from the news posted in the 'Neopets News' area of the TDN forums; whilst the plugin we use to retrieve the news and place it on the front page might be free, the forums software in which we post news on (and in which you're viewing this topic in) costs upwards of US$60.

 

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