Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Well seeing as levy would rather have this discussion here. and to not break possible rules here goes. DO you believe all humans should be able to marry any other person of their chosing regardless of sex, race, religon, etc? Mainly of sex beacause many people dont believe in homosexual marriage. I personally believe being gay is not a choice. You are born gay and its almost scientificaly proven too. and you cant help who you love or are attracted to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I stick to belief. Leviticus, the third book of the Old testament and the book I happen to be named after, basically forbids same sex relations, amoung other things too sick to even mention on the debate board. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 I doubt you go strictly to the bible. Because im pretty sure youve cussed and lie. Those are against the bible. I hate people who pick and choose what the choose to believe in the bible. actually it says something different which im too lazy to find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Well I ain't the super religious type, but ALOT of other people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes alot of people are. but you cant help who you love or are attracted to. Im not gonna wake up tomorrow and say" Im gonna like guys and marry them" Im just not. People dont want to admit they are gay and live "Straight" lives and have kids because society accepts gay people very horridly There are also gay animeals. Are they gonna go to hell? Im not trying to say your opinon is wrong im just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 How do we know if its a choice or not? Got a source on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 A source on what please? The straigh lives. There is no source but its out there. I cant be like well so and so admitted to living a straight life while atually being gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I meant a source that proves whether being homosexual is a choice or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Oh you bet i can. Gimme like 5 minutes Couldnt find the link but you can google this: In 1993 the American researcher Dean Hamer published research that seemed to prove that homosexual orientation could be genetically transmitted to men on the x chromosome, which they get from their mothers. However when this study was duplicated it did not produce the same results. A follow-up study which Hamer collaborated on also failed to reinforce his earlier results. Most recently research published in April 1999 by George Rice and George Ebers of the Universty of Western Ontario has cast doubt on Hamer's theory. Rice and Ebers' research also tested the same region of the x chromosome in a larger sample of gay men, but failed to find the same 'marker' that Hamer's research had produced. Claims that the part of the brain known as the hypothalamus is influential in determining sexual orientation, have yet to be substantiated. At the moment it is generally thought that biological explanations of sexuality are insufficient to explain the diversity of human sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 There you go, right in your quote. There isn't enough info to prove either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 but science is on the verge of proving it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Levy Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Why would a lab be working on whether ebing gay is a choice or not? Honestly, if they have the ability to look at the human genes, wouldn't they be working or something that could benefit mankind? That was off-topic sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 No it was completely on topic. My answer: They are benefiting the GLBT community. TO get accepted in to society by homophobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HBK Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Obviously, I agree, yes. Actually, that is in the human rights. Quoting: "Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution." - Article 16 However, homosexual marriage is something different. I believe that if their country legals it (in Portugal, it is ILLEGAL, but not in Spain, for example), then if that makes them happy, go ahead. And what if the Bible states the contrary? I'm sorry, but I'm no religious type. Yeah, I go to church on Saturdays and sometimes pray, but thats it. If happiness is obtained through such marriage, I believe it should be entered into. After all, Ethic and Morals' great goal is Humans' happiness. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Well the bible actually contradicts itself in homosexaul marrage. :P but i cant find it. and i want a point thats not religous in why homosexual marrage is wrong Im not religous either. I have my beliefs though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiaircraft Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Well if you're asking for a non-religious point on that: humans were built for male-female relationships in order to reproduce and continue our race. Don't get me wrong though: I'm still neutral on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Yes but as with all animals there needs to be a control. And humans killing humans is illegal in most countries. So nautre has its way with working in different traits. One that make you like different things. and sometimes you dont realize until your 15 your gay. Humans were built to love other humans. In my opinon. Regardless of any other qualities. You cant help who you love or attracted to. Im not gonna tomorrow go up to someone i think is ugly and tell my self im attracted to her. Im just not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeptroid Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Humans were built to love other humans. In my opinon. Regardless of any other qualities. You cant help who you love or attracted to. Im not gonna tomorrow go up to someone i think is ugly and tell my self im attracted to her. Im just not Eh, I'll just feed off of your quote regarding my ideas. Humans, like any other animal, honestly seem to have been built for opposite-sex relations. In order to have a larger population and become a dominant species, reproduction needs to take place. A natural cycle of life. That quote above really seems to be fighting against itself. You are saying people humans were built to love other humans, no matter their qualities. (Such as appearance, nationality, talents.) Yet, you say you wouldn't go up to a ugly person and say they are attractive to you. Therefore, you already are breaking the "quality" statement. Dillon, I don't exactly see where you are getting the idea of the Bible contradicting itself. Unless you pull up a few quotes or something, that statement isn't necessarily true. I'm not a huge religious person, but I have my share every Saturday and Sunday. (Saturday: Church Sunday: Confirmation) Now, do I think homosexuality is right? I have never actually came to a solid decision regarding that. This never has really bothered me, but I have a few thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HBK Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 This topic is simple, but it does arouse a lot of questions... I stand by my statements. My quote was to prove marriage between men and women. I then justified my homosexual pro marriage decision following the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neon_halo Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Wow. Love the random focus on gay amrriage rather than the others mentioned. What makes gay marriage so different from inter-racial marriage? There was a time when that was the bash target of the day. New time, new scapegoat. I fully support gay marriage as it happens. One day, I'd like to get married to the person I love, whether that person is ultimately male or female is just a detail. To me, love is love, and is not dictated by religion or genetics. People can believe what they like, but why believe something that puts up barriers between yourself and other people? I can cite sociologists who know religion to be a burden, but what's the point? Religion is full of flaws because it is man-made. Prehaps there is a God, but how can we say what God believes? We have no direct contact. I digress. As for the genetic arguement, I feel that it's become irrelevant. Yes, heterosexual sex is the way we classically reproduce, but in the day and age it is no longer necessary to bring a child into the world. Both genders of the species are needed, of course, but heterosexuality is not a requirement. Sometimes I think that the problem is within the connotations of the word "marriage". It's something that has been claimed and defined over and over by Christianity. Prehaps the flaw is in the limitations of the English language, or prehaps in people themselves. Now I think of it, it is probably the latter. People hold their own definitions of marriage. While some consider it a Christian act- the bind between a man and woman, others see it simply as a commitment to the one you love. Prehaps what is really needed is acceptance of other peoples understanding. Which somewhat applies to most debates, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeptroid Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 We may not fully understand what God has in mind. However, that never meant that we never made contact with Him. The Bible has stories sharing encounters with God. Now, before I get back to the subject of homosexuality, let me say this: There is no way to prove God. Yet, there is absolutely no way to disprove Him. (Just wanted to say that in case any atheists or people of another religion attempt to pick at my above statements about God.) I am not saying that gay marriage is wrong. I am also not necessarily saying it's right either. To be fully honest, I don't think anyone out there in the world has a true idea. Some people will approve, some people will disprove. Like, AA, I am neutral at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neon_halo Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 To be honest, I really don't think the Bible is particularly reliable. I'm an appreciator of things that cite their sources...and have authors... (love Genisis, btw. Who wrote that book? How did they know?). Or are primary sources, for that matter. I don't care for most religion, I think it's boring to talk about, all the arguements have been put before, and I'm not a converter. I sort of wish it wasn't being discussed in conjunction with this. I am not neuteral. I am pro gay marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeptroid Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 To be honest, I really don't think the Bible is particularly reliable. I'm an appreciator of things that cite their sources...and have authors... (love Genisis, btw. Who wrote that book? How did they know?). Or are primary sources, for that matter. I don't care for most religion, I think it's boring to talk about, all the arguements have been put before, and I'm not a converter. I sort of wish it wasn't being discussed in conjunction with this. I am not neuteral. I am pro gay marriage. The Bible was written by a large variety of people, if that's what you are asking. All combined into one book. All inspired by God's words, basically. Here is a outline created by none other than C.S. Lewis himself. (The man who wrote the 'Chronicles of Narnia' books.) 1. At some point in the past, humanity learned to depart from God's will and began to sin. 2. Because no one is free from sin, people cannot deal with God directly, so God revealed Himself in ways people could understand. 3. God called Abraham and his progeny to be the means for saving all of humanity. 4. To this end, He gave the Law to Moses. 5. The resulting nation of Israel went through cycles of sin and repentance, yet the prophets show an increasing understanding of the Law as a moral, not just a ceremonial, force. 6. Jesus brought a perfect understanding of the Mosaic Law, that of love and salvation. 7. By His death and resurrection, all who believe are saved and reconciled to God. Now, I have made number two in bold text because of the previous question about contact with God. Neon, if you look and read carefully, you will see that the Bible is always citing sources. You should easily tell who wrote some passages at points. Homosexuality is pretty much negative in the Bible, but people who are pro for it usually disregard the Bible anyway. I have a few thoughts on Homosexuality which sort of lead me on either side. But like I stated before, it's a neutral feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 OK well here is my opinion 50 years ago inter-racial marriage was really frowned upon. but today its just looks like normal marriage. Now gay marriage is really frowned upon. but who knows in 50 years it can look like normal marriage. Even if you dont agree there is no need to bash. Because some anti-gay people bash them like crazy and its digusting. Im pretty sure gay people dont go around bashing gay people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiaircraft Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Whatever your opinion, it is wrong to bash people about their choices. It's their life, their opinion, their choice. Don't poke your nose into their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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