Abortion.

[Viridian]

Since I am Roman Catholic I am 100 PERCENT AGAINST ABORTION. If you don't want to have a baby and preventing it is easy. Birth Control pills. Abortion is taking life well an unborn child.

I am Roman Catholic, and 99% pro abortions. For God's sake, it's up to the parents if they want to have a child. Yes, they could have prevented it (but I'm pretty sure the church tells us condoms and the pill are bad things), and prevention is definitely better than healing. I am not saying that any person who has been lazy and not wants to use preventive things should be allowed to simply have sex and have abortus just like that, because that is lame... Which is the 1% I'm against.

 

All others reasons are in favor. It will keep parents from having possibly unwanted children. Children born from teen mothers are usually not taken care off well enough. If they are adopted, they will always want to get in contact with their biological parents etc. We have overpopulation, so why should 'unwanted' children be born simply because the church say so? I don't think that's a valid reason at all.

 

Rape is of course the worst kind, it would be horrible to be reminded of something so violent and mentally hurting by seeing your child grow up... And I know what I'm talking about...

 

My 2 cents... Just a Roman Catholic girl with a voice and a mind :)

[Sweetdang]

Firstly, I want to apologize for the Caps lock, I find it easier to type as how I would speak. So when I want emphasis, instead of putting it into italics, I put it in caps (it’s easier and more accessible) Secondly, You completely misunderstand me – let me elaborate.

 

You're talking about partial-birth abortion which is almost objectively an absolutely disgusting process and completely irrelevant to any reasonable debate about abortion.

Partial-birth abortion is still abortion. It comes under the umbrella term. Disgusting, yea. Irrelevant, no. Maybe out of context, because you were not discussing it, in which case I apologize. But not irrelevant – instead, it’s a point you can use to get your point across. Abortion? Check. Against? Check. Therefore supports your argument? Check. Unreasonable? Check – but that’s what I think abortion is. Not completely, though. I understand the cases in which it would actually be required.

 

So you're implying that the only people who in relationships that end up getting abortions are gross sexist pervert males, trashy guys who want to be "cool", and girls who are much too trusting? That's sexist, stereotypical and downright disgusting of you.

Sorry, should have been clearer about this. I typed that pretty much without thinking, I’m sorry if I offended anyone. Should have added a more proper footnote at the end, obviously “Don't tell me about rape, etc, I KNOW the exceptions. I'm talking about the others. The ones who CANNOT be excused.” was not enough. Let me paraphrase. It’s not that I don’t care about rape victims, in fact, the exact opposite. It doesn’t sound like that here, but rape was a factor, and not the main thing. I didn’t want to go off, if not I could have talked about rape forever. However, the reasons I were giving were just some negative points off the top of my head. There are lots of other, even good reasons. However, I was not addressing/accusing those. I was talking about the people who, well, I mentioned.

 

I am not implying that the only people who in relationships that end up getting abortions are gross sexist pervert males, trashy guys who want to be "cool", and girls who are much too trusting. I am also not sexist; I dislike stereotypes and rather unfortunately, don’t think myself disgusting. I didn’t see why I was being “sexist”, I talked both about male and females’ faults. “Stereotypical”, though, I see perfectly. Which led to disgusting. I was using stereotypes to easier bring across my point. Although there definitely is much more, I do think that the things these people do highly possibly leads to the problem of abortion. Basically, the whole point of that terribly – worded paragraph was to say that abortion wouldn’t come about if people didn’t think of the consequences. Rape is not excused, the Predator is at fault. Also possible the victim begged him, or something, but basically, it’s fault of a human.

 

The only thing I can excuse from this is a mother child death – death situation.

 

I definitely had no intention to be sexist, or disgusting, though. I didn’t see how people would possibly see it like that, entirely my fault. Sorry about that.

 

People do. Did you not read the posts by someone in here who has a friend that got an abortion and thinks about it with incredible guilt every day?

Getting an abortion is an incredibly rough and emotional process, the difficulty of which neither you nor I can even begin to comprehend, and it's incredibly hard enough on the would-be mothers without people like you trying to make them feel like they're a child-murderer because of a choice they feel forced into and will remember for the rest of their lives anyway.

All you're doing in that post is spouting hatred towards abortion and implying hatred towards anyone besides rape victims who gets them, and fear-mongering. If you're going to reply to this then try using facts or well-reasoned arguments instead of caps lock.

That is really unfortunate, and I sympathize with her, I really do. I will never be able to comprehend the hurt, pain or guilt, but my point is this – she thought about it after the abortion. Not before. Not “in the heat of the moment”. I am not attacking her, and neither am I talking about her! I am just using her example. She was in a situation none of us can fathom, so I cannot judge her. Not using her AS an example, but using her example.

 

It is. It must be so terrible for them. My aunt had to have an abortion. Here is where I’ll stop apologizing to you, but tell you that you misunderstood me. My aunt went through it, and the tears, pain and hurt that followed were terrible moments which I shared with her. I would never condemn anyone for a personal choice. I know I sounded harsh and unreasonable, but that was because I was thinking about the people who went “lalala sex lalala baby ooh I don’t want it, I’ll abort!” I know someone like that. Who aborted three times. Just. Like. That. No feelings, no nothing. To anyone out there who has aborted, especially for a reason - please – you are not a child murderer, you are an amazing, beautiful bold woman who was able to create life. No matter the reason the child is gone, you know that when you are ready, if you ever want to again, you can create another miracle.

 

I am not/ did not mean to spout hate, I am so, so sorry. I don’t hate abortion, I hate “lalala sex lalala baby ooh I don’t want it, I’ll abort!” people. I do not hate people who get an abortion! If I ever sounded like it, then I was I the wrong. In fact, I’ll give them support, because they need it. They need all the love they can get. I was never against people who needed to abort for a reason, other than rape. Never.

 

Let me bring back my conclusion from my first argument:

There's always two sides to every story, two views to everything. If you think the two views to abortion belong to the Pregnant and the People around her - I have to disagree. I think they belong to the Pregnant and the Child.

 

But we are different people, and do not and can not be who the child is. We can't say that it is RIGHT to abort, and neither can we say that it is WRONG. Only after getting the responses from the two parties, can we decide on the acutal right choice. But that's not possible, is it? It's not possible to tell the child what he won't and will miss, what he won't and will experience.

 

And because we can never consult the second party, we can never say whether abortion itself is right, or wrong. We can never say anything about it, because it's not for us to say. However, because when it DOES become our turn, and we ARE one of the parties, then we can open our mouths, and speak.

 

Abortion isn't right - and neither is it wrong.

 

But it's something that I will never, ever take a step toward, perhaps even if it's a death - death situation. For every 80% chance that both mother and child will die, there is a 20% chance that they won't.

 

So abortion - not something I can say is right or wrong, but something I can say I will never go along with.

[Russ]

Firstly, I want to apologize for the Caps lock, I find it easier to type as how I would speak. So when I want emphasis, instead of putting it into italics, I put it in caps (it’s easier and more accessible) Secondly, You completely misunderstand me – let me elaborate.

 

Partial-birth abortion is still abortion. It comes under the umbrella term. Disgusting, yea. Irrelevant, no. Maybe out of context, because you were not discussing it, in which case I apologize. But not irrelevant – instead, it’s a point you can use to get your point across. Abortion? Check. Against? Check. Therefore supports your argument? Check. Unreasonable? Check – but that’s what I think abortion is. Not completely, though. I understand the cases in which it would actually be required.

 

But pretty much nobody here is going to say that partial-birth abortion is okay. It's a much more disgusting process in every way, and the way you spoke of it was as if it's the way abortions are always or even usually performed. You can bring it up as another topic but you can't describe it as if it's the normal procedure and try and use that as an argument against abortion in general, because that's wrong.

 

 

Sorry, should have been clearer about this. I typed that pretty much without thinking, I’m sorry if I offended anyone. Should have added a more proper footnote at the end, obviously “Don't tell me about rape, etc, I KNOW the exceptions. I'm talking about the others. The ones who CANNOT be excused.” was not enough. Let me paraphrase. It’s not that I don’t care about rape victims, in fact, the exact opposite. It doesn’t sound like that here, but rape was a factor, and not the main thing. I didn’t want to go off, if not I could have talked about rape forever. However, the reasons I were giving were just some negative points off the top of my head. There are lots of other, even good reasons. However, I was not addressing/accusing those. I was talking about the people who, well, I mentioned.

 

I am not implying that the only people who in relationships that end up getting abortions are gross sexist pervert males, trashy guys who want to be "cool", and girls who are much too trusting. I am also not sexist; I dislike stereotypes and rather unfortunately, don’t think myself disgusting. I didn’t see why I was being “sexist”, I talked both about male and females’ faults. “Stereotypical”, though, I see perfectly. Which led to disgusting. I was using stereotypes to easier bring across my point. Although there definitely is much more, I do think that the things these people do highly possibly leads to the problem of abortion. Basically, the whole point of that terribly – worded paragraph was to say that abortion wouldn’t come about if people didn’t think of the consequences. Rape is not excused, the Predator is at fault. Also possible the victim begged him, or something, but basically, it’s fault of a human.

 

The only thing I can excuse from this is a mother child death – death situation.

 

I definitely had no intention to be sexist, or disgusting, though. I didn’t see how people would possibly see it like that, entirely my fault. Sorry about that.

 

You were overgeneralizing in an offensive manner and it came off as pretty rude. Using generalizations and stereotypes in a debate generally isn't a good idea and will probably offend people. Just be more careful with your word choice in the future.

 

That is really unfortunate, and I sympathize with her, I really do. I will never be able to comprehend the hurt, pain or guilt, but my point is this – she thought about it after the abortion. Not before. Not “in the heat of the moment”. I am not attacking her, and neither am I talking about her! I am just using her example. She was in a situation none of us can fathom, so I cannot judge her. Not using her AS an example, but using her example.

 

It is. It must be so terrible for them. My aunt had to have an abortion. Here is where I’ll stop apologizing to you, but tell you that you misunderstood me. My aunt went through it, and the tears, pain and hurt that followed were terrible moments which I shared with her. I would never condemn anyone for a personal choice. I know I sounded harsh and unreasonable, but that was because I was thinking about the people who went “lalala sex lalala baby ooh I don’t want it, I’ll abort!” I know someone like that. Who aborted three times. Just. Like. That. No feelings, no nothing. To anyone out there who has aborted, especially for a reason - please – you are not a child murderer, you are an amazing, beautiful bold woman who was able to create life. No matter the reason the child is gone, you know that when you are ready, if you ever want to again, you can create another miracle.

 

I am not/ did not mean to spout hate, I am so, so sorry. I don’t hate abortion, I hate “lalala sex lalala baby ooh I don’t want it, I’ll abort!” people. I do not hate people who get an abortion! If I ever sounded like it, then I was I the wrong. In fact, I’ll give them support, because they need it. They need all the love they can get. I was never against people who needed to abort for a reason, other than rape. Never.

 

 

Again, just try to be more careful with your word choice in the future because your original post definitely did come off as a lot more judgmental than it was evidently intended to, hence why I got so mad in response. I'm just a bit confused because of how harsh your original post seemed and then this one seems to basically express the same opinions that other people have before. I do definitely agree that people who are just trashy and abort repeatedly without a second thought are pretty disgusting, as would virtually everyone else here. Your original post - to me, at least - just came off as generalizing all people who get abortions as being a part of that minority. So it was just a combination of misunderstanding on my part and harsh/poor word choice on yours, but we're on the same page now which is good.

[April]

Some really good points.

 

Basically, I wish people would use protection and not rely on abortion.

 

But I also believe if you are not responsible enough to be careful, you can't be parents.

 

I believe in Abortion being legal, I just wish it wouldn't happen so often.

[Girl at the Rock Show]

I don't like it because I couldn't handle it myself. I'm too emotional and clucky to do that. Plus now I've just finished my degree and have a long term relationship so in a better place.

I -HATE- people who get them as a contraceptive measure, that's sad.

I know someone who got one, they had used contraceptives and even the 24hour pill but she still got pregnant. insane eh. so i can understand, even if i wouldn't do the same

[Emily]

I know someone who got one, they had used contraceptives and even the 24hour pill but she still got pregnant. insane eh. so i can understand, even if i wouldn't do the same

 

This is exactly why I think they should be legal. Sometimes, no matter the precautions, accidents happen.

[dasavo]

I think abortions should be legal, but you have to pay for them. Like that people have the option to get it, but won't relie on it because it is way more expensive than contraceptives. What I find is stupid is that in Ontario, you can get an abortion for free. The government doesn't pay for contraceptives, but they pay for abortions. And viagra. (but that's another issue.) Completely rediculous. In anything medical, prevention is always worth more than a cure.

[April]

This is exactly why I think they should be legal. Sometimes, no matter the precautions, accidents happen.

 

I agree with them being legal. Completely. Otherwise there would be many negatives but I also feel. If you are a mature enough to have sex with someone you should be prepared for the consequences. In a perfect world maybe... It isn't ever going to happen. O.o

[Welcome Back Apathy]

I think abortions should be legal, but you have to pay for them. Like that people have the option to get it, but won't relie on it because it is way more expensive than contraceptives. What I find is stupid is that in Ontario, you can get an abortion for free. The government doesn't pay for contraceptives, but they pay for abortions. And viagra. (but that's another issue.) Completely rediculous. In anything medical, prevention is always worth more than a cure.

 

The problem with this is that the rape victims who are poor would have no options at all. They would not have the option of aborting the child, so they would be forced to carry the child, which is even more expensive. However, this already happens in America--everybody already has to pay for their abortions out of pocket as far as I know.

 

I definitely agree, though, about contraceptives being more important. Birth control should be free if you want to prevent expensive medical procedures. One day when I'm president (ha, I'm funny) I'd like to encourage sex ed AND free condoms.

[April]

The problem with this is that the rape victims who are poor would have no options at all. They would not have the option of aborting the child, so they would be forced to carry the child, which is even more expensive. However, this already happens in America--everybody already has to pay for their abortions out of pocket as far as I know.

 

I definitely agree, though, about contraceptives being more important. Birth control should be free if you want to prevent expensive medical procedures. One day when I'm president (ha, I'm funny) I'd like to encourage sex ed AND free condoms.

 

I guess I have never thought about costs as Birth Control has always been free for me.

 

Abortions here cost money if you go to a Clinic to avoid detection. xD

But if you go to a hospital it's free but that means your parents would know. Tsk, tsk.

 

And I completely agree with rape victims. Also just in general, if someone was so poor and they got pregnant they may resort to doing it themselves or trying to which can be very dangerous.

[Aalnius]

to be honest i think its entirely the choice of the mother to be or mother and father to be, i'd rather them get an abortion then raise a kid in a place where its not wanted or cannot be supported and putting it up for adoption is bad i mean theres enough kids in adoption circumstances and it leaves them with problems for life in alot of cases

[Jess Is Somewhere Else]

I'm against abortion, but I learned that sometimes, parents find that their unborn child has a disease or condition that would be hard for them, and so they decide not to bring up a child that will have difficulties in life like not being able to move well, cope well, or being bullied by others. Or it could be to do with the body as well, and having to have lots of treatments of take lots of stuff to help them.

[ZombiiMommii]

I am pro abortion.

 

For those that argue that pregnancy can be prevented by birth control: in a lot of cases, yes, it can, but I got pregnant on the pill, using a condom. These things aren't perfect. It can still happen, and I think it should be the choice of not only the woman, but her significant other as well.

 

For those of you who claim to be pro life and it is killing an innocent child... where might that child end up if he/she is unwanted? In a foster home, in an orphanage, on the street? Is that any way to live? No.

 

Now I do think there should be limits on abortions. If a girl has had several abortions of the course of a year just because she is unwilling to practice safer sex then there is something wrong with that. And after a certain point in pregnancy it would just be wrong. You you are going to do it, do it early.

[Welcome Back Apathy]

I am pro abortion.

 

For those that argue that pregnancy can be prevented by birth control: in a lot of cases, yes, it can, but I got pregnant on the pill, using a condom. These things aren't perfect. It can still happen, and I think it should be the choice of not only the woman, but her significant other as well.

 

For those of you who claim to be pro life and it is killing an innocent child... where might that child end up if he/she is unwanted? In a foster home, in an orphanage, on the street? Is that any way to live? No.

 

Now I do think there should be limits on abortions. If a girl has had several abortions of the course of a year just because she is unwilling to practice safer sex then there is something wrong with that. And after a certain point in pregnancy it would just be wrong. You you are going to do it, do it early.

 

I wouldn't call it "pro-abortion". You're in favor of abortion being legal, but being "pro-abortion" would mean that you think fetuses should all be aborted.

 

I think if you have two abortions, you should be required to get your tubes tied o.O Unless there's a good reason for it.

[April]

I am pro abortion.

 

For those that argue that pregnancy can be prevented by birth control: in a lot of cases, yes, it can, but I got pregnant on the pill, using a condom. These things aren't perfect. It can still happen, and I think it should be the choice of not only the woman, but her significant other as well.

 

For those of you who claim to be pro life and it is killing an innocent child... where might that child end up if he/she is unwanted? In a foster home, in an orphanage, on the street? Is that any way to live? No.

 

Now I do think there should be limits on abortions. If a girl has had several abortions of the course of a year just because she is unwilling to practice safer sex then there is something wrong with that. And after a certain point in pregnancy it would just be wrong. You you are going to do it, do it early.

 

I completely agree with you. Even with the protection thing.

 

When I say not even usnig protection. I mean that you should at least take the precaution and use protection. I understand getting pregnant with it. But if you don't even use it. That's just plain ignorant and you have no right to complain if you get pregnant.

 

EDIT: I am adding new information to my first post .

[The Terminator]

Never have an abortion. If you are responsible enough to have sex then you are responsible enough to take care ofa baby. that's how it should be.

 

A fetus is a human.

Killing a human is wrong.

therefore abortion is murder.

[April]

I think people need to stop focusing on the “rights” of fetuses and worry about the hundreds of thousands of neglected, impoverished, and abused children we have.

 

If someone can’t protect themselves during sex when they should they aren’t responsible enough for a kid in the first place. So my thoughts on this are opposite of yours.

 

Having unwanted children is just adding to that problem.

More unwanted children mean more people on government assistance, crime will increase because studies show children from broken homes are more likely to fall into crime. There is a lot more consequences.

 

Therefore, I am for abortion.

[Jess Is Somewhere Else]

I've heard than in poor countires, there aren't any places to get abortions, so girls who don't want to bring up a child in the sort of place they live will end up having to. Which is hard if they still live with their families.

[chibi_chibi_tsukino]

I am NOT religious. Yet I fiercely oppose abortion as I see it as immoral, a serious crime. Instead of legalizing abortion developed countries should allow/create more baby hatches and make adoption easier.

[Welcome Back Apathy]

I am NOT religious. Yet I fiercely oppose abortion as I see it as immoral, a serious crime. Instead of legalizing abortion developed countries should allow/create more baby hatches and make adoption easier.

 

I can see people opposing abortion--I can see why people think it's murder. However, your solution still means that unwanted pregnancies occur. These still ruin lives, both of the mother AND of the child. If we want to stop abortions, then we need to stop unwanted pregnancies. Better sex education, free birth control to those who need it, access to the morning after pill in rape clinics...basically, people need to stop blocking birth control.

 

I know we haven't really brought this up, but for the record, I think there is a huge difference between abortion and the morning after pill. The egg may be fertilized when you have the morning after pill, but it hasn't even close to started development. It is still a sperm and an egg.

 

I think it should be the choice of not only the woman, but her significant other as well.

Huh, I somehow missed this before. Anyway, I agree that it should be the choice of both, except...what if they disagree? They need to be able to come to a mutual decision, but what if they disagree? How would it then be decided? In the case of a tie, the tiebreaker vote should definitely go to the one who actually has to go through the pregnancy or the abortion. In the end, it really CAN only be a woman's choice.

 

This is why I feel that people should only have sex with people they know well, love, and trust. I don't find it immoral to have one-night stands or anything; I just feel that it is smart only to have sex with someone you love and trust. If you don't, how can you trust them not to have an STD? How can you trust that they share the same views on abortion? You really can only have sex with someone who shares your views on abortion--or at least will support your decision with the child. If you are a woman who is strictly anti-abortion, then you SHOULD NOT have sex with a man who is not willing to support the pregnancy. He must be willing to help you with adoption fees or with child support. If you feel you would NEED to abort the child, or that you would, you MUST have a partner who will be okay with this.

[Jess Is Somewhere Else]

I think it's wrong to forse people into having abortions, though. I hope that doesn't actually happen anywhere.

[behemothrules]

I think abortion is okay to a certain extent, if there was no abortion, could you imagine how many more children would be born into abusive/unfit homes? It isn't fair to the child to have to live in an unhealthy environment because the parent couldn't abort. And what about if somebody gets raped, should they be forced to birth the child of their rapist? On the other hand, i don't think it's okay to have one just because you were irresponsible, so the morals of abortion are subject to circumstance.

[Nataluna]

i believe there should be legalised abortion.

 

certainly here there are strict rules, but it is possible to terminate fetuses for medical reasons.

 

australia pays a baby bonus to increase our population, it is currently $5400 soon to be decreased to $5000 (budget cuts)

 

the morning after pill is available through pharmacists because its often very difficult to see a doctor on very short notice

 

we have frequent debates here regarding children as sources of welfare support, the baby bonus doesn't help the issue

 

my logic is that the choice should be after appropriate counselling regarding options with a specially trained medical professional and social worker. The risk to mother/fetus is greater when people attempt backyard abortions, or travel between states to see a practioner which has different time constraints for abortion. there was one recent case where the woman took a drug overdose to abort the baby, which worked, but there was remaining placenta and she ended up dying from sepsis.

 

just because people can have children doesn't mean they will be appropriate parents, i always feel very sad when i see drug addicts with children, and especially pregnant drug addicts. i have met drug addicts who want to kick their addiction and many of them do it because of their children. I have seen people who have openly spoken about children being good for welfare and then gamble/drink away all the money.

 

ultimately it is a thorny issue. people who have had abortions can come to regret it, some sometimes can't have children anymore, or regret the loss of the child.

[lils]

abortion should obviously be legal. it's IMPORTANT to have the choice, especially for the mother carrying the baby.

 

if you are a mom who doesn't believe in abortion, that's fine, don't get it. but it's not right if you press your beliefs on others.

 

this applies especially to rape victims. it's unfair to them to keep a baby for 9 months from a man who has went to the lowest of the lows.

[sakura_blossom221]

abortion should obviously be legal. it's IMPORTANT to have the choice, especially for the mother carrying the baby.

 

if you are a mom who doesn't believe in abortion, that's fine, don't get it. but it's not right if you press your beliefs on others.

 

this applies especially to rape victims. it's unfair to them to keep a baby for 9 months from a man who has went to the lowest of the lows.

 

I agree completely. Whether you believe in it or not, the CHOICE needs to be there. If abortion is made absolutely illegal, people will find other ways to have abortions. Do you really think that someone who gets pregnant but really doesn't want to carry the baby to term is just going to accept the fact that abortion is illegal? They'll find other ways, and probably just end up hurting themselves. Abortion needs to be legal, whether you believe in it or not.