Pacifism

[AKALeenaLean]

People say,"Violence is never the answer." While others say,"Fight your own battles, stand your ground."

 

Is being a pacifist, a person that opposes fighting or violence, always the right choice? We should treat others how we want to be treated, but there is a time and place for everything right?

[Piticent]

Well I suppose your correct. Is this a debate on whether you're a pacafist o non-pacifist? If so, I'm inbetween. As you said, there's a time/place for everything. Some people aren't worth my time.

[Gensei]

People say,"Violence is never the answer." While others say,"Fight your own battles, stand your ground."

 

Is being a pacifist, a person that opposes fighting or violence, always the right choice? We should treat others how we want to be treated, but there is a time and place for everything right?

 

I seriously respect people who see the use of force as something to be avoided at all costs..

 

With that said, I do believe at some points you're going to run into people with ideas so vastly different than yours that you absolutely cannot reason with them.. If a situation where you're met with people you disagree with turns violent, then you likely have no choice but to fight or die.. I think the way that you treat those whom you war with becomes incredibly important in showing whether you're a person in a desperate situation, or a complete barbarian.

 

I despise tools of war, yet I'd support Iran and Iraq (pre-invasion) having nuclear weapons.. My reasoning is that countries with nuclear weapons are far less likely to experience even threats of force with any regularity like Iran has.. A lot of people would say "Iran is run by religious fanatics!", but that's really just western propaganda.. Iran has fanatic elements along with draconian laws, but there is a country worse and less stable than Iran which is nuclear armed; Pakistan.. When is the last time Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama said pakistan should unilaterally disarm or face severe repercussions? Never, because we are not going to tell our allies to unilaterly disarm even if they have crazies in government and the military.

 

That's why I'm not a pacifist.. I do think force or the threat of force is sometime necessary in situations where you want to be at peace from those who'd want to control you.

 

The Cuban revolution is a prime example of a bloody conflict with disgusting actions on both sides that had a comparably great outcome to what they had before under Batista.

[Jeanie]

I don't believe in violence. It only leads to more violence and makes everything worse.

 

That being said, I would never stand by and watch my little sister or a little kid get bullied, I would step in immediately. That's not exactly violence, but I'm not the kinda person to stand on the sidelines and just watch everything happening. I do consider myself a pacifist because I will never own a gun, and I will never willing fight someone unless I felt it was necessary.

[AKALeenaLean]

I too oppose violence and fighting in general, but there is one point I'd like to make about being a pacifist.

 

Self Defence: When someone is attacking you on the streets, mugging you, or raping you, screaming for help won't do you any help, other people will most likely just not want to be involved, unless they are a true hero. Disabling the attacker is the only way to ensure your safety and that means to attack their face, knee, and groin.

 

There also a couple so-so instances about being in the middle, but overall, I truly applaud Pacifists like Ghandi and Martin Luther King.

[Piticent]

After coming back here, I realize I was a little too...short/unexplained in my first post. I agree with everyone. Violence is never the answer. However, in self-defense, there is no option except violence. Thats why I'm a black belt in Karate. I joined the dojo I joined because their style is more defense/disabling versus another I could've joined whose style if offense/agressive. Still self-defense, just a different style.

[Vivies]

I believe whole-heartedly in self-defense, no matter the outcome. So there is some part of me that supports violence, even as I don't like the idea of using violence to force a point. Unfortunately, it comes to that, sometimes. We are all animals and our most base instincts will manifest in spite of ourselves. I don't believe in picking on other people or other countries, etc. But I don't believe in letting someone slap you around, either.

 

Did that make sense? :rolleyes_anim:

[AKALeenaLean]

Yes I believe that most people on the whole in this generation don't use violence as a means to get something from others, well as a first instinct. After being denied, violence becomes an option. Self defence would be a different story but it would still relate to Pacifism in using it to defend yourself.

[DeAndra]

Pacifists deserve the most respect ever. I have to be honest I have never been the patience to be a pacifsit.

Now I am not saying I go around bullying people or picking fights, but I am a firm believer in defending myself if threatened.

 

I was grown to never hit first, but if attacked, to hit back.

 

Pacifism is something that to me requires divine effort which I just do not possess.

 

But I have the utmost respect for pacifists and I neither agree nor disagree with their stand on violence.

I don't feel like violence is the answer to anything because it truly doesn't solve issues, but I do believe in self defense through and through.

 

I am not a pacifist so I cannot speak for them and say that if threatened they would truly just sit back and not do anything. Maybe you have the right idea that there is just a time and place for everything.

[AKALeenaLean]

Well I'd like to extend the conversation a bit then, how about in times of war? I don't know much about other countries and how they got into war, but America, we definitely aren't a Pacifist nation but we just have to stick our nose in other countries' businesses (my opinion).

 

How would you have handled the incidences regarding Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

 

For me, that really is just a tough question, if I was the president, my country just got attacked and I would like to solve this peacefully, but at that moment shock and fear would just have filled me. Again, Pacifism is truly a respected way of living for me, and pacifists just really deserve so much attention for how much patience they have.

[Aalnius]

pacifism will only ever work if everyone adopted it and everyone stuck to it which they won't as its human nature for people to crave power and they'll always want to take the easiest route which if everyone else was a pacifist would be to attack them.

 

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