Xandra, Hanso and evilness

[SyrenSkywolf]

i think she just set the alarm off..like with a trip cord? in the comic the alarm had just gone off.. so it had to have been set off by something.

 

Good point, although a trip cord that obvious would be easily detectable, unless TNT just did that to make it more obvious...

 

-Sky

[CAV of Gang Green]

Xandra is now my favorite character. I wish I was in the story so I can team with her and destroy Farieland.

 

Why? Because I hate Farieland, and it's about time that we get something other than the typical happy ending.

[Rae]

I could be going out on a limb here, but here's my theory after re-reading the comic from Chapter 1 to 12. (I was bored!)

 

1. Chapter 5 established that the villain could shapeshift (and is probably not Nox.)

2. Brynn, Hanso and Xandra split off from the rest in Chapter 7. After which Xandra split ways from Hanso and Brynn.

-->Xandra was alone!

3. Could the true villain have captured Xandra and become "Xandra"?

4. In the Chapter 9 activity (Wraith Caves, anyone?) Xandra (at this point "Xandra") was helping - at least that's what it seemed like on the surface. But she still kind of stalled for time - "Oh, I need some stuff here." "I need some more stuff." Just that Hanso managed to find the stuff, so she had to "help" to keep up her act.

5. And then we get to Chapter 12 where Xandra says some weird things. :P

-->And doing evil spells?

 

Or Xandra could just have a crush on Hanso. :P That's why she's trying to cause a rift between them. Good girls always like bad boys, you know?

 

Whoa. My brain has just totally been ... well I can't say the word I wanted to but you know what I mean! I had a feeling there was something going on with Xandra. I just had the weirdest feeling something was up. I think that it's more likely that she got captured than the fact that she was always evil.

 

Then again, the crush theory works too!

[d.Lia]

I'd say my crush theory worked... because that's no reason to look all evil with Faerieland crashing in the background! D:

[Pirate Dante]

I'd say my crush theory worked... because that's no reason to look all evil with Faerieland crashing in the background! D:

 

Yes it is. I do it on a monthly basis. :D

 

But I still have seen no definite proof that the baddie is an shapeshifter. All I have seen is that Xandra dropped some clouds, and that there was a Nox defeated, and another standing there. For all we know, it could just be Hubrid Nox Senior or something, I dunno, but he looks taller.

 

Although, shapeshifting is likely. :P

[jomarlive]

i got it

in the step "The Artefact Thief" you notice that Xandra want the mirror back to badly she use a spell to zap Hanso before he stole it...

[antiaircraft]

Heh, well, considering Hanso and Xandra's respective personalities, I'd be very surprised if Xandra *hadn't* tried to zap Hanso. :P

[savamal]

And what if...

 

GIRL POWA!!!! How Xandra and Brynn manipulate Hanso and the others

 

In Chapter 1, Brynn said that she came by King Hagan's order (which we haven't seen yet...) so that everybody agreed with the fact without checking it... And what if she went there just to look what progress the heroes do ? (2 heads and 4 eyes are better)

 

In Chapter 7, Brynn proposed to split the group and Xandra came along with Hanso (it is easier to deal with only one guy than a couple of them). Later, Xandra seemed not too happy about the relationship between Brynn and Hanso, but Brynn informed Hanso that she could have lost her job because of him... End of this great chapter, Brynn went to the library where Xandra should be (she said she wanted to do research on Faerie artefacts). Both can work on their strategies without anyone notices it!!!

 

In Chapter 9, Brynn and Xandra were again together before Hanso joined them.

 

Then Chapter 10, they together pushed Hanso inside the old thief lair.

 

In Chapter 11, Brynn easily defeated the Shadows whereas in Chapter 9 it wasn't the case...

 

If Xandra rules the world, then Brynn could have a better position instead of arresting Hanso here and there and dealing with "clever" Brightvale soldiers

(Chapters 2 (page 2) and 6 (page 1, second image) show how clever they are... LOL)

 

Moreover, something's strange about Brynn's sword: in Chapters 3 (page 4) and 4 (page 2), her sword is a "normal" one, whereas in Chapters 7 (page 1), 9 (pages 1-3) and 11 (pages 1 and 3), chapters where the Shadows appear..., her sword has several symbols on it as if it was an enhanced magical sword

[jesse_rocket]

I don't think Brynn is in on it. She seems like too much of a "paladin" type, lawful good, not much fun. I think a better explanation for her palling around with Xandra is more that she's not often in the company of women (being very work-orientated and military based) and was just enjoying having a buddy, especially in light of her love/hate relationship with Hanso.

[FabKiwi06]

I don't think Brynn is involved in it either. She gives the impression of being to nice and kind hearted to have any evil in her.

 

The only *twist* I could see would be having Hanso somehow involved... but I think he is gonna have a redemption story-line instead of a villainous one.

[Roxi]

TNT says we should get the update by tomorrow, so hopefully that will answer all of our questions. I personally think something went bad with the spell, considering if she were evil to begin with why would she go through such measures to help and why would she reveal herself at such an awkward moment? Maybe TNT won't leave us hanging this time.

[ancientfolklore]

Well, she may be revealing herself as a villain now, but Xandra sure does look epic in the latest chapter. :yes:

 

Edit: I just had another intriguing notion strike me - is it possible that Xandra's been possessed?

 

Another edit: That's a very interesting theory indeed. :yes: *merges topics*

 

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[h1]Whatever it is. I just can't wait for the next chapter![/h1]

[jesse_rocket]

While they're still making us wait (c'mon, you wicked PST based company, get the lead out, my Friday will be over in a few hours!) I was poring over the teaser artwork they put up yesterday. Where indeed ARE her glasses? *nods and strokes non-existent beard*. Those are some pretty shifty eyes they've drawn her with, right there. And yelling, too!

[EchoEternal]

I wasn't very convinced by the good/evil theory at first, but the scar on Xandra's face is menacing and she isn't the only one doing creepy looking stuff.

 

In chapter 4, the Nox Hanso talks to doesn't seem to know about the artifact and may or may not be the real Nox. Cartoon people tend to react truthfully to what the interloper says rather than to the fact that a stranger burst into their home. So that Nox doesn't know what's going on and isn't as strong as the second one we see.

 

I agree that the green rope thing in Chapter 4 is very weeeird. And Xandra getting zonked definitely isn't good.

 

In Chapter 7, Hanso makes the offhand comment that "Xandra isn't even here." While he probably didn't mean much by it, it may be foreshadowing.

 

In Chapter 8, Hanso seems to recognize the guards and be surprised, as though he'd seen them in very different circumstances. Perhaps they have evil twins??

 

In Chapter 9, Xandra doesn't seem as concerned with the slimed Neopets as with getting the book with the picture of the artifact. Hmmm...maybe she's just not very nice <<

 

But, lending more credence to the twins theory, in Chapter 10, Hanso looks /very/ sinister.

[shinystarters]

I wasn't very convinced by the good/evil theory at first, but the scar on Xandra's face is menacing and she isn't the only one doing creepy looking stuff.

 

In chapter 4, the Nox Hanso talks to doesn't seem to know about the artifact and may or may not be the real Nox. Cartoon people tend to react truthfully to what the interloper says rather than to the fact that a stranger burst into their home. So that Nox doesn't know what's going on and isn't as strong as the second one we see.

 

I agree that the green rope thing in Chapter 4 is very weeeird. And Xandra getting zonked definitely isn't good.

 

In Chapter 7, Hanso makes the offhand comment that "Xandra isn't even here." While he probably didn't mean much by it, it may be foreshadowing.

 

In Chapter 8, Hanso seems to recognize the guards and be surprised, as though he'd seen them in very different circumstances. Perhaps they have evil twins??

 

In Chapter 9, Xandra doesn't seem as concerned with the slimed Neopets as with getting the book with the picture of the artifact. Hmmm...maybe she's just not very nice <<

 

But, lending more credence to the twins theory, in Chapter 10, Hanso looks /very/ sinister.

well, it looks like xandra did do it, and she was nox...there goes the evil twin theory...

[MariaWB]

I've guessed since before chap. 13 and 14 that Xandra was evil, and now we also know she's crazy. TNT has messed up in the writing in this newest chapter, though, I think. She doesn't ever come with any specific reason/s why she thinks this way about the faeries, and why she thinks Hanso knows what she means and agrees. Any english teacher worth his salt would call them out on this.

 

Obviously Hanso is not really evil, he's pretending so he can stay near Xandra and mess it up for her.

 

This is already a really sinister plot for a site directed at children. If he IS evil, I think all their work to 'cute-ify' the site over the last few years, ie. by redesigning the looks of the pets so they look cuter and less ferocious (like my darling Tyrannian Kougra who looked so prehistoric and feral before they made him all round and fluffylooking, and put my Werelupe back on all fours like a common puppy!), is a total bust. It would just go completely against it.

 

What do the rest of you say?

[jesse_rocket]

Oh I think it's really quite painfully clear why Xandra feels as she does about the faeries.

 

As I said in another thread, the faeries seem to basically be an equivalent of gods (Classical gods, that is), in Neopia. They're fabulously powerful, a quite QUITE different type of species to most Neopets (even anthropomorphizedarated ones), from what I gather, next-to immortal, and live up in the sky, watching over, and intervening in the world of Neopets when they deem it needed (and this last point is key).

 

So here they are, they pluck the clearly talented young Xandra from her world, into theirs. And there's Xandra, for years of her life (I've never been able to judge what her age is supposed to be), in Faerieland, studying her tail off, learning all their is to know about their powers, their way of life, everything, until it's almost like she's one of them. It's almost like she IS a faerie. But, she's not. And when she tries to talk to them on equal terms, when she tries to get them to change their policies and basically take the reins of Neopia, as they so easily could (basically, solve world hunger, or some Neopian version of this) and they say that's not how they roll, it's like a massive slap in the face to her.

And it all becomes so horribly obvious and grotesque to her, this dumpy short, dumpy, bespectacled, bookish little Xweetok in this world of beautiful, giggling fluttering graceful faeries, having to put in so many years of effort to come even this close to having what they have. Not just the power, but the effortlessness of it all. And after all that, in her mind, they still respect her just as little as they do everyone else down there under the cloud. But she knows, she knows that if only she could get these artifacts of power that in all her studies she has learned about....she could show them all.

[CAV of Gang Green]

Xandra makes very valid points, that not only point out the flaws of the Faeries, but also points out the flaws of religon in some ways.

 

The Faeries do in fact have all this power, but never did anything to help the Neopets. Kinda like "God". He has ultimate power, but does nothing to help those whom pray to Him. It seems as though TNT is dragging in religon to the story. And Xandra is also right that NEOpia should be run by NEOpets.

 

And at the same time, it also shows that the Faeries could also be somewhat like queens. They don't care for the lesser people, and completely wish to avoid having a "lesser person" take control of Neopia, and will do whatever it takes to prevent it. It IS in fact like a slap in the face, and I would have the same approach as Xandra at this point. This is why she's my favorite in the plot: You can relate to her. That you tried so hard to be like the others, and they don't fully accept you or realize your full potential. Also because she wants to take down Faerieland, which is nice too.

 

And I hope Hanso is in fact siding with Xandra for the reasons he stated. If he was to mess up her plans, it would mess up the plot for me, and would be a major disappointment.

 

So I understand where Xandra is coming from, and I side with her.

[MariaWB]

Yeah, but that's the madness of it. Yes, it would solve pretty much all problems if supreme beings just descended from heaven, so to speak, and solved all the bad things like hunger and war. But even that will take away personal freedom, free choice - the right to be and do whatever you want. Of course, you should only be allowed to do this within certain limits, which is why laws were created. Stealing, murder and so on is a choice someone makes, but they hurt others with that choice and therefore should be stopped. But sho then decides what is good and what is bad? Some things are obvious, but other areas are more gray. Supreme beings might decide something is bad and punish people for doing it, even though it hurts no one. We see that when people try to make everyone believe in one god and kill or enslave all those who refuse that god and have their own, or not god at all.

 

Absolute good can't exist. There has to be balance, and not every bad choice is so bad that it should be taken away from people.

 

And I don't agree that the faeries are these snobby, giggly queens that Xandra makes them out to be - that they don't care about the 'common' Neopets and thinks themselves above all others. I'd hear from them first.

[CAV of Gang Green]

And I don't agree that the faeries are these snobby, giggly queens that Xandra makes them out to be - that they don't care about the 'common' Neopets and thinks themselves above all others. I'd hear from them first.

 

Then why did they never really care for the Neopets? I want you to name a time where the Faeries have done something for the Neopets' benifit. And no, the Healing Springs and such don't really count.

[jesse_rocket]

I'm afraid I think you're going to be disappointed.

 

While I agree with you up to a point, that Xandra IS very much a character one can relate to, particularly in light of what both of us have said on the subject of Xandra's life with the faeries, I don't think they've set the whole thing up for her to be the spearhead of some glorious revolution. Even just from the way they've drawn her. She hasn't bloomed into like, a great and noble leader, ready to bring change to the world "for the better", instead, they've drawn her with shifty eyes, lowered brows, smirks, and arrogant body-language. She's not a hero waiting in the wings. Rather, what's happened with her, is she's become corrupted with her lust for power and her bitterness. Note how she didn't just "stop the faeries" and then take her throne as a benevolent socialist leader of the clouds. Oh, no, she turned ALL the Neopian leaders to stone (chapter 13, page 1). And then mentions her intentions to "rule the world"? That is never a good move.

 

As for the Faeries having all this power but "never" doing anything to help? I disagree there, but I think that probably ties in with our differing views on religion in general, and is best not talked about in this context :)

 

 

Edited to add:

 

Why don't the Healing Springs count? And how about all the various pieces of Neopian mythology where a kindly/brave/good faerie did all these various things (the one in the Altador plot springs to mind, but there are many others). How about the powers a bottled faerie will bestow on a pet? What about the Soup Faerie? And the very basic fact that is pointed out in the plot and pretty much admitted by Xandra herself, that the faerie magic is pretty much what's keeping the world going? Those shadows being a "side effect" of the faeries being turned to stone. And how everything in Neopia seems to be "dying".

[CAV of Gang Green]

Yes, I'm prepared for the sickening "happy ending" that we've all seen a million times before. I would actually be surprised if they went through with this.

[MariaWB]

I don't know nearly enough about Neopian history to pint out the huge great deeds they've done, and neither can I point out any evil they've done. I can't recall ever reading about a time when Neopia was in grave danger and they just said 'Nah, we have more important stuff to do to help, like wash our hair and lounge on clouds'. And I also think that the Healing Springs and Soup Kitchen DO count. It's free help, right?

 

Anyone trying to take over the world and remake in their image, and at the same time claim that it'll be much better, is not only wrong - they're stupid. One person can't rule all others with a good outcome. Those in the way will be disposd, and anyone saying out loud that they disagree will also be dealt with.

 

Thet fact that the faerie don't use their power is actually a sign that they DO care, not that they don't. They let people be people, make mistakes and learn from it.

[Yozora]

Most faeries do give off a snobby aura about them I believe, but there are very good ones around too. Soup Faerie and Water faerie of healing springs are ones who always are there for you (there's no reason to discount them).

 

The "caught" faeries don't really count so much as they are nameless things that bless you if you free them. They are more like genies if anything.

 

Illuesen and Jhudora are examples of snobby. Illusen is nicer of course, but still acts like hot boots to you and bestows these fetch quests as a game. Taelia the snow faerie I'm not positive about. She seems to be an approachable type faerie that I don't mind so much. Even if you fail a quest of hers she doesn't seem to sore about it.

The queen faerie I render as snobbish because she isn't active in neopians' lives, hiding her precious tower and occasionally changing where it is (link changes over the years).

Quest faeries are more like jobs, so I wouldn't consider that much for or against them. Though sometimes feels like they act like they are doing us a favor by letting us help them.

 

I said in another topic that I think faeries should be ousted of power but allowed to exist still as equals. Team Xandra

 

Oh and I did catch the religious flavor this seems to be turning. It's be nice if we could get a choice in this but I won't hold my breath.

[EchoEternal]

Of course it looks like Hanso is doing the whole "get close to the bad-guy so you can stab 'em," but it looks like this is slightly more interesting than what TNT generally does! =)

 

I agree with Jesse_Rocket on the issue of Xandra's bitterness.

 

Is she really evil, though? She probably thinks she's doing the right thing. She definitely has the "self righteous revolutionary" tone. For that matter, are the wraiths evil? If they need to suck pet souls to live, perhaps not. If they do it to gain power...maybe so?

 

Hanso and Brynn want power too, to a certain extent. Well, Hanso wants to be respected more than to have power, but Brynn wants to be a good guard who's recognized as such, and is willing to sacrifice Hanso's freedom for that.

 

When taken to an extreme, is ambition evil? Is ambition always evil?

 

Well, no more evil twin theory, but that definitely doesn't make her any less interesting to me. Quite the contrary, she's much better as a bad-guy than as a crotchety spell caster.

 

She makes a good point with the whole blind trust Neopians have in the goodness of (most) fairies and how that isn't necessarily warranted. Faeries have definitely helped Neopia in some ways, but are perhaps given credit in the wrong ways. Are the wraiths a side effect of the spell or were they being suppressed by the presence of the faeries? She hints that the faeries have nearly unlimited power, though we do not have any substantiated evidence of this, which would make it quite immoral to interfere with the day to day lives of Neopians in huge ways. A helpful hobby is one thing, but if Xandra suggested they give Neopets the same kind of power they have, I can understand them rejecting her request.

 

No doubt some of the things she suggested to the faeries were for the good of Neopians from her POV, and it's understandable that she'd be more than a bit frustrated at their response. If some uber-rich person took you under their wing and taught you how to become wealthy and treated you well, and you suggested they donate a large sum to charity or start a charitable organization and they brushed you off, wouldn't you be bugged?

 

However, if they are immortal, they've probably thought out the uses of their powers ages ago and aren't going to be impressed by anything a mere pet says.