Midookami Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Could you imagine if hackers decided to duplicate items like ... MSPP and BGC and SuaP .. it would be horrible for the people who own those items, but good for everyone else who wants to get those avies, but have been unable... I know, right? And imagine if the cheaters could duplicate draik egg, krawk potions, etc. Kind of scary thought! As for the player in discussion, perhaps his aim in playing neopets is to collect trophies (like how people collect avatars), and he is good at the games & is trying to get them one at a time? Like for month of February, he may think, "Okay, this month I'll try to get nimmos pond trophy" and work hard all month to get it, and then move on to the next one. I wouldn't call him a cheater just because he has lots of trophies, just like you wouldn't call someone a cheater for having gorgeous pets or lots of avatars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fashiongirl25 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Well he's either a VERY good game/works very hard or cheats. It does seem kind of crazy he has THAT many trophies. I have never seen people with that many trophies, even really old accounts. And for the items duplicating, well, everything would crash after that. Paintbrushes would be worth 1np etc. No one would bother going on neopets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephie23 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 They'd have to retire alot of items, and change them slightly... it would be brutal. As for the expansive trophy list, Ive seen people with more. Its also possible that they do the games on the first of the month when its easier to obtain trophies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Mike~ Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Personally the user looks like he plays a lot and works hard at it. For a 3 year old account it doesn't look that suspicious if you played every day and worked on one game a week you might have more then him :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.A.V. Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 They must have a hacking program in their computer. Don't worry, they will get frozen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephie23 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 the only thing i really find suspicious about him is the constant wins at the lottery. no one wins that much, its really suspicious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Severus Snape Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 What I meant about be thankful some people don't bother making cheats for the game is: I used to play a game called Diablo 2 for example One day some people found out how to duplicate items( and its much harder to cheat on these tyes of games then it is neopets) They decided to duplicate all the expensive items which is turn made every single good item on the game worthless and the economy crashed completely and every item was accessible and the economy was forever changed. I'm sure people could duplicate items in neopets if they worked hard and found out how but thank goodness there is no money in it. The people who sold diablo 2 items made fortunes and if they decided to mess with neopets the whole game could be ruined for almost all experienced or veteran players in a day. thats only one example really if you look at some of the other huge games out there they make programs that can play the entire game for you and log you on when it wants and do everything. Now you might think that neopets would catch them but I highly doubt it if any effort was put into making the program. There's no need to. These called score-senders, autobuyers, etc...cheating programs generate money (NPs). More NP = more stuff to buy, like expensive BD weapons, etc. In turn, people can and are indeed selling anything they come by on Neopets for real life money. There are underground communities in every online game out there (including, but not limited to: Runescape, Gaia, Neopets, etc...). People can always find a way to sell accounts, pets, items and pure for money to use in the real world, if there is a will to do so. It's illegal, yes, according to Neopets T&C, but that's the harsh reality. And are there buyers? I'd expect so, otherwise this wouldn't survive. Many programs out there are poorly done and without any kind of encryption. The main issue here is that more and more people are gaining access to high quality cheating programs, with tons of encryption, so they get away with it more. Of course, if they have no idea what they're using, it's obvious they're gonna get themselves frozen quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycho Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 They must have a hacking program in their computer. Don't worry, they will get frozen eventually. I find this highly presumptuous of you. Okay, sure. The lottery thing seems sketchy. But I could bet you a good sum of money that if you give someone an account and a year or so they'd have the same amount of trophies. Will they get frozen? Probably not. If they have that many trophies, can you imagine how much NPS they have? It's not impossible for them to get trophies and invest in lottery tickets. They invest so much money into the tickets, and they win. They double their winnings, and spend half on tickets again. They win, and spend half, etc etc. Over time that equals a lot of winning and a lot of trophies. I don't think anyone is 'worrying' here. It's all fun and curious speculation. Protip: Has anyone tried asking? in b4 THEY'RE JUST GOING TO LIE ABOUT IT - Anyone can lie to you on the internet, but if they cheat and get away with it they're going to be proud, not secretive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephie23 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 No offence but it would be EXTREMELY stupid to admit to cheating. Then they'd get frozen for sure. No way they would tell you to show off how 'proud' they are. Only an idiot would do that. So I doubt your little ask theory would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_ann89 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Do Neopets game bots exist? If they do it's possible some users use those to seem good at games. I've seen youtube vids of a puzzle pirates bot that my sister talks about. It's called "Bilge" something-or-other... Anywhose, if they do use them, that's so not good sportsmanship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Mike~ Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 There's no need to. These called score-senders, autobuyers, etc...cheating programs generate money (NPs). More NP = more stuff to buy, like expensive BD weapons, etc. In turn, people can and are indeed selling anything they come by on Neopets for real life money. There are underground communities in every online game out there (including, but not limited to: Runescape, Gaia, Neopets, etc...). People can always find a way to sell accounts, pets, items and pure for money to use in the real world, if there is a will to do so. It's illegal, yes, according to Neopets T&C, but that's the harsh reality. And are there buyers? I'd expect so, otherwise this wouldn't survive. Many programs out there are poorly done and without any kind of encryption. The main issue here is that more and more people are gaining access to high quality cheating programs, with tons of encryption, so they get away with it more. Of course, if they have no idea what they're using, it's obvious they're gonna get themselves frozen quickly. Sorry I guess what I should have meant is that there is not "much" money in neopets People aren't going to go out of their way for 5-50 dollars while most users are very young and cannot afford it. I mean in the grand scheme of things. Like as in people, in my example, in diablo 2 make hundreds if not thousands of dollars on the game. Games like World of Warcraft where you can purchase gold in the 10's or 100's of dollars at a time. My friend sold her WOW account for a thousand dollars on ebay. If you could make that kind of money continuously on neopets we would have a problem. /edit Yes it is fair to assume neopets "bots" exist. Are they public? Not that I know of. Now neopets auto-hagglers. Yes they are available and extremely easy to use. Do people use them? So many people that it's unbelievable. Neopets auto-buyers are also out there. (1)They auto refresh for you. (2)click on the most profitable item when it restocks, and (3)autohaggles for you. All you have to do is click on the little neopet picture. *Thing to keep in mind* I have tried these out. First thing I noticed is that the way they are set up as you receive them from open sources are configured so that you will get caught and banned. This is such as having a 2 second refresh rate on the autobuyer. You will get a restock ban and if used enough will get you banned. I don't advise using them either. /last Edit Holy! My english prof would kill me if she saw how I type hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Severus Snape Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Sorry I guess what I should have meant is that there is not "much" money in neopets People aren't going to go out of their way for 5-50 dollars while most users are very young and cannot afford it. I mean in the grand scheme of things. Like as in people, in my example, in diablo 2 make hundreds if not thousands of dollars on the game. Games like World of Warcraft where you can purchase gold in the 10's or 100's of dollars at a time. My friend sold her WOW account for a thousand dollars on ebay. If you could make that kind of money continuously on neopets we would have a problem. /edit Yes it is fair to assume neopets "bots" exist. Are they public? Not that I know of. Now neopets auto-hagglers. Yes they are available and extremely easy to use. Do people use them? So many people that it's unbelievable. Neopets auto-buyers are also out there. (1)They auto refresh for you. (2)click on the most profitable item when it restocks, and (3)autohaggles for you. All you have to do is click on the little neopet picture. *Thing to keep in mind* I have tried these out. First thing I noticed is that the way they are set up as you receive them from open sources are configured so that you will get caught and banned. This is such as having a 2 second refresh rate on the autobuyer. You will get a restock ban and if used enough will get you banned. I don't advise using them either. /last Edit Holy! My english prof would kill me if she saw how I type hah! There are UC pets that can sell for at least $400 dollars if well named and rare enough, so don't undervalue stuff (e.g. if a SuAP could be sold, we'd be talking $3500 = 700M NP). If you had multiples, imagine the money you could make. It's not coincidental that Neopets is one of the fastest selling websites (in "hard cash" terms) on the Web, on par with WoW. Sure, some items are hard to get, but let's say...a SoS can sell for $75. And it's not hard to get at all. You're thinking GM scripts there. About autobuyers: they auto-buy for you. You don't have to do ANYTHING but put the list of items you want it to buy, select the shop, refresh times, check for RS ban interval, smart haggle, etc, etc...and it will buy stuff for you. No need to click the picture at all. Of course they will get you frozen eventually. These are illegitimate programs out there that are highly capable of getting you a constant 1 mil+ profit a day. And you have a point. As a security analyst at my school, I cannot hope but wonder the malicious code that scammers use to get people to use their (fake) programs. Many contain cookie grabbers (if they are Greasemonkey scripts obtained from a public location) or simply install malware on your computer (if they are .exe programs), such as keyloggers, and even phishers to steal your credit card information should you do online banking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephie23 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 It might not even necessarily be about money. Some hackers like to mess around online just to show they can. (for the pure fun of the 'sport' - get an adrenalin rush type thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Monster Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Oh, he's cheating alright. I bet he uses some kind of mass ticket autobuyer that randomly input numbers based on previous contests and that's what makes him win. As for games, if he had all gold, that would be highly suspicious. If he is using a score sender (which, as far as I know, is a program used to send game scores) then he's quite clever about using it. On a bigger scale, there are thousands of people cheating everyday on Neo, it's crazy. There are n00bs who just grab programs and send scores/autobuy without knowing tack, and those get frozen immediately. The others...well, become battledomers with their riches. That's why you see loads of newly-rich 3 month old accounts already with a 20 mil BD set or something. That's partly why I don't hang out on the Battledome Chat any more. Too much cockiness by these newly-rich cheaters, and of course, drama. Way to jump to an erroneous conclusion. Meanmoddy is one of the most hardworking gamers I have witnessed over my years on Neopets and is basically the antithesis of a cheater. He inputs the tickets manually. You don't need a program to buy 20 tickets per day, and you can gain additional tickets from playing Dice-A-Roo. You can use a random number generator to decide what numbers to enter, and keep entering the same ones each day. With luck you can win multiple times in a short period. These are mostly shared wins with other users ... not that many people enter the Neopian Lottery ... it's not a big surprise. And there's nothing suspicious about having an all-gold or mostly-gold cabinet. All you have to do is withhold from sending scores that would result in a bronze or silver trophy, and keep practicing till you are good enough for gold. And avoid playing games such as Test Your Strength in which a bronze/silver score would be sent automatically. Meanmoddy frequently chats on the Games Challenge/Chat on the Games board and it's obvious from talking to him that he is plays fairly. He is very helpful and shares his strategies. None of his gamescores are impossible - whereas most cheaters leave a trace eventually. Many trophy collectors abused a glitch in The Buzzer Game and took advantage of resets that only lasted a few seconds, while Moddy did not. This topic has been edited by a member of staff (Viridian) because of a violation of the forum rules. Do not bump topics which have not been active for at least 21 days. Please check your user inbox to see if you have been contacted regarding this incident, then review our rules. Per the reason above, this topic has been LOCKED. Please contact Viridian if you have any questions regarding this action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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