m0ose_ Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 What do you guys think about using the lab ray for stats at the same time as spending neopoints on codestones/dubloons for training? I was doing both for a little, until a point at which the lab ray kept lowering my stats consistently. If you're training, do you also zap the pet? or do you have a separate lap pet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritzie Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I think it's a bad idea to train while zapping a pet. You'd be struggling to even out stats, only to possibly have them changed the next day. I'm only really training my Shoryu. (And soon my Draik.) I'd wait to train a lab pet until after you're done zapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiaircraft Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Additionally, as I recall the lab ray can actually reset your pet's level back to one every now and again, which would make this exercise extremely painful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0ose_ Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 Okay, then, I'm going to stop zapping my BD pet. Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_gnorbu Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Additionally, as I recall the lab ray can actually reset your pet's level back to one every now and again, which would make this exercise extremely painful... My experience is that after a certain level (20?) , there's no reset of the level. On avarage the avarage stat of a labrat increases, despite of the incidental stat decreases. I think it's not a bad idea to train the other stats of the pet, to keep up with the hit points, since training afterwards is much more expensive (higher level needed). Or is the chance of a decrease at the lap ray influenced by the level of the stats (the higher level, the more likely a decrease gets)? Never noticed myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savamal Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I do both, but not on the same pet :D Just to see on the long run which pet will be better... Zapped pets have decent strength and huge health points, but low level and defense... Stats of trained pets are more of what you want them to be Well there always are neggs or other stat increasing items to deal with both strategies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoologynerd Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 yeah id def not do them together. how would you like to spend a bunch on increasing level just to have it brought back down to zero? no bueno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_gnorbu Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 how would you like to spend a bunch on increasing level just to have it brought back down to zero? no bueno. Are you sure that the level still can drop to zero after level 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maldoror122 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I do both, but not on the same pet :D Just to see on the long run which pet will be better... Zapped pets have decent strength and huge health points, but low level and defense... Stats of trained pets are more of what you want them to be Well there always are neggs or other stat increasing items to deal with both strategies The huge HP is the reason I decided to train my pets via lab ray and not training schools/academy. I find HP to be the most useful, honestly. My defense is definitely underwhelming, but in the long run, my pet will have a high enough HP that it can take enough hits without fainting, giving me enough turns to take out the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srahski Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I do both. I have 2 pets that I train to get decent stats, I don't zap them anymore because I love their colours. My main pet used to get zapped all the time but now I train her as well because her health is up at 245 and her level is only just over 100, and the rest of her stats are below 50. So sadly for my main pet I need to keep training to up her level so I can finally get her other stats up. Only problem is now it's 5 or 6 codestones each time. If anyone knows how to drop 50hp, that'd be awesome :) maldoror122 that's a really good point. Once hp are ridiculously high it doesn't really matter what the ohter stats are, I never really thought of it that way. I just wanted to train my pets up so everything was about even, a nice level I was happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 How long did you train your main pet? I'm debating on whether to keep zapping my current lab pet to raise their HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0ose_ Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 yeah id def not do them together. how would you like to spend a bunch on increasing level just to have it brought back down to zero? no bueno. This is what happened to me. I was training my pet for several weeks and then I got the Lab Ray. My pet's been decreasing in level ever since =( So now I have to train it back up while I start zapping my other pet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I read somewhere (sunnyneo?) that you need to pass level 40 to prevent getting zapped down to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khenari Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I try to do both personally. Mostly it means working on getting my labrat(s) levels. Sometimes I do lose them and it is frustrating- but so is not having faerie ablities XD (Just started working on a new "Stat-rat" as I call my zapping for stats labrats after trading my other away when he got an awesome color change I couldn't bring myself to zap.) The way I see it is if you're training consistently you should get to Level 20+ fairly quickly (considering you can train more than once a day for the most part) after which point you don't really have to (so I've read) worry about loosing levels. Once you have it to a place where your level is up to a point to train your other stats, it should be easier to train stats like defense up to a more reasonable level- even if you a "X lose X stats" I would think you should be able to make the difference back up within a training course or two, you'll always be a little ahead. Don't expect not to lose some money but I think the gain of the labray outway the possibly "lose". 1 zap can give you up to 5 free courses. Yeah you can also lose up to 5 courses but, with my lab anyway, over all I get more plus stats than minus. If I feel like I'm in a losing streak I'll lay off the training until my labray bucks-up and starts feeling bad for taking everything away XD. I feel like I rambled there and my point may not have gotten across but yeah, that's how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiaircraft Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well in theory, if it's possible to get past the point where your pet's level can get zapped back down to 1, then training and zapping simultaneously should benefit training speed considerably (although it will, of course, drain NP heavily). Even if you train a stat up and the lab ray zaps it back down, you're no worse off than you would have been without the training. Put simply: With training: (Defence +1 from training) + (Defence -3 from zapping) = Defence -2 overall Without training: Defence -3 from zapping = Defence -3 overall Basically, whatever the lab ray does, your pet will have higher stats with training than without. Yeah... I probably didn't need to explain that. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merzz Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 It's difficult and the lab can easily ruin the hard work and nps you spent on trainning in the blink of an eye. You need to be very careful. I dont have much luck with either especially zapping all my friends get good zaps and mine are just brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Back to December Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 It's not a good idea, it's very anti cost-effective and counterproductive. Basically you're going to end up with a strong pet, with a ton of HP and strength, reasonable level (JUST train this if you really want to, and movement, but that's only if you want to use specific items) and very low defenses. Spending money on training def. is a waste of resources and time. You should have one pet to zap (or multiple, and do a round robin), and one or two that you seriously train. That's the only viable way and you'll see results after investing around 10-20 million on training (yes, it's not cheap). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngrace Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 i totally agree--training and zapping can be brutal on your wallet. (learned unfortunately from personal experience) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_gnorbu Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I still don't understand why it's a bad combination: The result of zapping is an avarage stat increase. Right? Look at the stats of labrats. Add the results of your training to this avarage stat increase. If you train in an intelligent way and keep up all necessary stats to the same level of the highest stats (most likely endurance). Imo this is a quicker way of 'training' than only at the training school. Don't see the mathematical reason to do this to different pets, it's only based on a feeling of waste after a stat decrease by the labray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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